anyone seen this yet?
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...n-a-reduced-ban-for-Clenbuterol-positive.aspx
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...n-a-reduced-ban-for-Clenbuterol-positive.aspx
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Yes but the difference is that official sources in Mexico put the level of contamination at 18%. It's a recognised problem in Central America but hasn't been in Spain for about 15 years.mewmewmew13 said:
mewmewmew13 said:
ultimobici said:Yes but the difference is that official sources in Mexico put the level of contamination at 18%. It's a recognised problem in Central America but hasn't been in Spain for about 15 years.
In any event it sets a precedent for Contador's ban to be measured against. Any shorter than 1 year would be a joke.
El Pistolero said:Another difference which you so easily forgot is that Colo's levels of Clen were 4 times higher then Conti.
Hadn't read that as I saw the report on cyclingnews's site. Nevertheless, if he had 4 times the concentration, it still was 10 times lower than WADA requires a lab to be able to test for.El Pistolero said:Another difference which you so easily forgot is that Colo's levels of Clen were 4 times higher then Conti.
El Pistolero said:Another difference which you so easily forgot is that Colo's levels of Clen were 4 times higher then Conti.
HoustonHammer said:Meaningless. Both are very low concentrations. The only difference is an extra 48 hours or so from ingestion time to sample time.
Did all the tests get processed by the same lab or a lab with the same level of accuracy? If so, fair point, but if not, pretty meaningless.El Pistolero said:Not meaningless when you know they found nothing in Conti's blood prior to his first positive Clen test.
El Pistolero said:Not meaningless when you know they found nothing in Conti's blood prior to his first positive Clen test.
HoustonHammer said:But I don't know that. The presence of the plasticizers suggests that he took the Clen sometime out of competition, so the only people who would have been testing AC's blood would be his medical team. And since they don't publish their results, I have no idea whether or not they found Clen.
Don't get me wrong. I sympathize with you. I didn't want Landis to be positive back in '06 because I liked the guy and his win was exciting. But he was. Not wanting your guy to be positive is natural. But once the bad news comes from the lab, the athlete almost never wins, and you have to recognize there's a good reason for that.
El Pistolero said:My name might be El Pistolero, but Boonen and Gilbert are still and always have been my favorite cyclists you know(OK, Gilbert since 2008)![]()
But they can't ban him for blood dope unless he fails a blood doping test. I think the case from Contador will only be Clen related, but I could be wrong. Doesn't matter much anyway, he'll go down.
I need more information of this plastic test to give it more importance. I'll wait until it's made public by an official cycling related organisation. Always be critical, even if it's highly likely the test is true and he is guilty. All I know is that if I was Contador and they used this test against me to ban me for blood doping I'd destroy cycling and take down everyone. Won't be hard for someone in Contador's position, just demand the top 10 of all GTs to be tested for this test and make the results public.
HoustonHammer said:That's fair - I agree about being critical. It's just that no matter what excuses these guys come up with, and how much I want to believe them sometimes, it always seems that in the end they really were doping.
I seriously doubt they'll try to go after AC for blood doping. With the Clen result in hand, they just don't need to. If they really do have the plasticizer result, they'll just use that as rationale to reject the 'beef defense'. His position is really hard.
After studying my own case, I know the possibility of eating meat contaminated with Clenbuterol is very small but it is possible because farmers always want to boost animal growth.
El Pistolero said:My name might be El Pistolero, but Boonen and Gilbert are still and always have been my favorite cyclists you know(OK, Gilbert since 2008)![]()
But they can't ban him for blood dope unless he fails a blood doping test. I think the case from Contador will only be Clen related, but I could be wrong. Doesn't matter much anyway, he'll go down.
I need more information of this plastic test to give it more importance. I'll wait until it's made public by an official cycling related organisation. Always be critical, even if it's highly likely the test is true and he is guilty. All I know is that if I was Contador and they used this test against me to ban me for blood doping I'd destroy cycling and take down everyone. Won't be hard for someone in Contador's position, just demand the top 10 of all GTs to be tested for this test and make the results public.
ultimobici said:Yes but the difference is that official sources in Mexico put the level of contamination at 18%. It's a recognised problem in Central America but hasn't been in Spain for about 15 years.
In any event it sets a precedent for Contador's ban to be measured against. Any shorter than 1 year would be a joke.