Totally agree. Ineos and QS definitely feeling worse than before today in GC regard. Once again another master plan carefully and successfully completed by JV.
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Whut?
All I can say is that the truth can be painful!
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Oh so JV were weird because of
Oh, so the accident must've affected JV during the race today.
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Wow, it looks like a lot happened in this stage. I sadly couldn't watch it yet, but going by results Remco and Martinez were really strong, Roglic not so much. Don't know what to think about his performance. Screw the Tour. I wanted him to win Fleche Wallonne. Doesn't seem likely at this point.
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In theory. But if he's cooked, he's cooked, and they could drop him on easier slopes just as well. He should resist going deep into the red before the last climb. I don't think they'll drop him by minutes on the steeper climbs, so he might still come back if he has a bit of help of teammates or rivals with a common goal.
But if he goes in overdrive, there might not be any coming back. So far he's surprised me because after Valencia and TA, with his current weight, i was expecting him to have been dropped earlier this week.
But like i said before, he has to hope a break makes it and takes the bonis away. If he has to sprint for it, it's a done deal and near impossible assuming Martinez is still there.
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That's the gist of what you're arguing if you dissect it. My statement was that it would be ironic, in case any of the riders that were to end up in front of him in GC, would only have been able to because of the boni seconds they were able to take in the stages where he did the leadout for his teammate. I think that's a perfectly fine example of irony. Like sharpening the knife you end up getting stabbed with yourself or loading the gun you eventually get shot with.
Both Bilbao as Martinez got 10 seconds, Vlasov 4, in the stages where Evenepoel did the leadout, so i was talking about a scenario where Vlasov beats him by less than 4 seconds in GC, or Bilbao and Martinez by less than 10. You then claimed that those riders taking those bonis, was 'sure' not because he did the leadout. While it is possible they would otherwise also have been able to snatch some (perhaps the same amount of) boni seconds, i think that is quite likely that the sprint would have unfolded differently and they might very well not have snatched the same amount of boni seconds, if any. Maybe Evenepoel could have attacked in the final 800 meters himself and snatched some bonis, a possibility he now forfeited. Maybe a chaotic sprint would have favored a different rider, maybe the chase would stall without anybody closing the final gap and Lafay takes it anyway, or maybe another rider attacks. Insisting that the leadout had nothing to do with them getting boni seconds, is the same as stating the leadout (or lack of) would not have changed the outcome. Then why should teams even bother doing a leadout, if your assumption were to be correct?
So, to answer your deleted question, yes, logic is my friend.
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Remember a small crash happened between Vlasov and Vingegaard in the final 25 meters. I was a bit bumped out by that because I hoped for Vingegaard to take over.
But he will today I think.
Remco on the other hand is such a powerhouse and great move by him today. But I have to say that, when the climbers push on longer climbs it's evident he struggles. And today the stage will be too hard for him, because he is still not a climber, even though I believe he will become way better at it eventually.
Today it will be Bilbao, Vlasov or Vingegaard that ends up in yellow. Great race so far!
But he will today I think.
Remco on the other hand is such a powerhouse and great move by him today. But I have to say that, when the climbers push on longer climbs it's evident he struggles. And today the stage will be too hard for him, because he is still not a climber, even though I believe he will become way better at it eventually.
Today it will be Bilbao, Vlasov or Vingegaard that ends up in yellow. Great race so far!
Any reasons as to why you are ruling out Evenepoel and especially Martinez from contention?
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I forgot Martinez. He is definitly in there as well.
Remco, like i said, is not up for those longer and steeper climbs. He is not that type of rider yet. He is getting dropped on either Azurki or Krabelin.
Yeah I can see the arguments about evenepoel. He got dropped earlier this week as well, so makes sense. Although being the leader he might produce something special.
Was especially surprised missing Martinez because he hasn’t shown any weaknesses the entire week. Even his descending skills look better than normal, although Vingegaard had to save him a bit yesterday.
I am hoping the Endoia/Azurki combination already produces fireworks today. Too bad they aren’t broadcasting the entire stage I believe.
Well quickstep will want to let the break go. Jumbo doesn't have the firepower anymore to control this one. Ineos has sent people in the break all week and might want to throw someone in for later. So does Ineos, Bora and Bahrain try to to take the control, or does Bahrain fancy Mader to win it from the break?
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I'm mainly on the Gall bandwagon because he's a local guy.
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I remember his stage win in Tour de l'Avenir. Hell of a ride.
Didn't he also have some cardiac issues which forced him to abandon a Vuelta a few years ago?
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Hmm, Eurosport player still says 15:30 pm for the stage broadcast. I would have hoped for a full stage because the action will be non-stop (I think).
I also think a lot depends on Jumbo & Roglic in particular, because "if" he's really not well, I feel Quick Step will simply pace the climbs whilst Ineos sits tight behind them until Martinez drops Evenepoel at the end. I mean don't expect a rider like Mas for example to go on the offensive (it's not his style).
I healthy Roglic could blow the race up, if not, it could be drab. I also think the weather will play a big role as well (i.e. rain versus no rain, I don't know yet).
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Thanks, now I don't have to write this. One must be really clueless not to understand why Rodríguez had to do what he did. Okay, you could argue that it wasn't right even to attack Soler but that is also a misconception of fair play, I would say.
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You've lived a special secluded life then.
I'd say something like 2014 Tour de France, stage 10, mid stage moment...
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I'd think Bilbao will go for the overall victory, and attack on the Gorla descent (it's early, but the most technical one, and he needs a gap before the steepest climb). So they'll probably try to get Lulu and Mäder or Novak in the breakaway, but mainly to help him.
Novak looks super strong, btw. Same as in the 2020 Giro. Don't think I've seen him since.
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