Jalabert positive for EPO in 1998 TDF

[Dr. Maserati]

I disagree. It will finally expose some players, which might trigger a domino effect which might lead to the enablers.

Thats the problem. It "might".

And looking at it realistically the chances are exceedingly slim. We know the main players already, they will either deny or confirm their doping.
There is no incentive or penalty to reveal more.

 

[hrotha]

Thats the problem. It "might".

"Might" is better than "won't".

 

[frenchfry]

There is no "if" - releasing the names only without going after the enablers has no effect on anti-doping.


Seriously, good luck with that. Unless you are that person I would not have total confidence in anyone, even some riders I know quite well.
I do genuinely hope that it does highlight clean riders and that your names rider is on that list.
But doping was a systematic problem, naming individual dopers is sensationalism, nothing to do with anti-doping.

Although I partly agree with you, revealing the names will stop hypocrites like Jalabert from practicing omerta and essentially encouraging the status quo.

If "clean" riders are identified, this is a bonus.

 

[Hugh Januss]

It is the Alp d'Huez stage of the Tour.

To be fair Jaja testified in May and the timeline has always been sometime in July

Kind of guaranties that people will notice.

 

[manafana]

finally ready to admit the truth, all bit late now really, hardly was clean riding with festina.

 

[ElChingon]

All this is great, catch dopers, BUT!

This is also a huge smoke screen to what is going on now, can't we let the Jaja '98 thing go and put it on schedule for the Winter when we're bored and then concentrate on this up and coming huge race and what is being done to prevent it again? No, instead the media is going to side step what is really important, catch them in the act, the dots are all there layed out and still the media ignores them, but come 15 years from now they'll say, "I knew it all along! Those darn tricky dopers thought they'd get away with it!", OK Scherlock how about this year?

 

[JRTinMA]

Good luck with that.

The numbers confirm what most already knew. In 99 riders came into the race hot but few had the cajones to bring EPO into the country.....except one guy, who makes up the majority of the positives in the 3rd week.

The bigger question is who else is on the list? Pantani for sure but who else?

I see some old french pro is trying to get the data from the hearing held. I hope he is successful. This information is useless in terms of todays race, just an interesting side note in the history of doping.

 

[webvan]

Which old French pro? Got a link?

 

[Athame]

Wonder what Jaja did to upset someone?

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[Athame]

I see some old french pro is trying to get the data from the hearing held. I hope he is successful. This information is useless in terms of todays race, just an interesting side note in the history of doping.

That's sorta extreme but I lean that way from time to time.

 

[BroDeal]

How are they connecting the sample codes with rider names? Can they identify non-French riders?

 

[rata de sentina]

There is no "if" - releasing the names only without going after the enablers has no effect on anti-doping.

I actually agree in principle that naming individual dopers may have limited benefits. However, in this instance I'm all for it. Jalabert is getting singled out at the moment and while I'm all for his hypocrisy being exposed he is not alone. If all the names came out then we would see where he sits. At the moment he is getting disproportionate attention.

I have always said that the main problem is the enablers basically get off scot free when their culpability is much greater.

 

[DirtyWorks]

How are they connecting the sample codes with rider names? Can they identify non-French riders?

I have zero clue what the process was THEN, but it was only sometime 2012 when samples were made fully anonymous to the lab in WADA's system.

Contador's sample had to be leaked because at some level in the lab names and samples could be matched.. Look at WADA's changes to the software that does all the sample management for evidence of my claim.

 

[BroDeal]

I have zero clue what the process was THEN, but it was only sometime 2012 when samples were made fully anonymous to the lab in WADA's system.

Contador's sample had to be leaked because at some level in the lab names and samples could be matched.. Look at WADA's changes to the software that does all the sample management for evidence of my claim.

Samples were anonymous in 1999. I assume 1998 was no different.

 

[rata de sentina]

I have zero clue what the process was THEN, but it was only sometime 2012 when samples were made fully anonymous to the lab in WADA's system.

Samples are always blinded in the lab. There are various ways of getting IDs which are nearly always corrupt but there are always some people who know everything. Organisations like WADA are always refining these systems to improve their integrity but I don't think it is accurate to say they were made "fully anonymous" in 2012. All lot of the time the refinements are just formalisation of practices which have been in place for many years anyway.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

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[ChewbaccaD]

I wonder if Cippolini's name will show up on the honor roll...

 

[Race Radio]

How are they connecting the sample codes with rider names? Can they identify non-French riders?

I understand they have all the names and they will be in an annex of the report issued July 18th.

If they were able to figure out Jaja then they should be able to figure out all the others

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

I understand they have all the names and they will be in an annex of the report issued July 18th.

Day of the Alpe d'Heuz stage. Seems ironically appropriate.

 

[webvan]

Armstrong call Jalabert a liar http://tinyurl.com/nksng2x - not very nice since Jalabert said Armstrong remained a true champion after he got busted last year...but then Armstrong is not known for that ;-)

 

[skimazk]

I wonder if they reanalyzed the blood drawn from the TVM team by the french police after their raid on them in 1998 (TVM and Festina both got caught in 1998). They took hair, urine and blood samples but couldn't make it stick as the EPO test had not been validated at the time so the TVM guys (amongst who former Sky DS DeJongh and current DS Sky Knaven) walked.

According to leaked medical reports they were full of EPO, amphetamines, anobol & corticosteroids and cannabis

 

[Alpechraxler]

cannabis

Being a doped up pro cyclist can be really stressfull haha

 

[The Hitch]

Boardman on itv talking briefly on Armstrong. Doesn't seem like someone who has anything to fear from an epo test being released. Im guessing he wont be 1 of the 48.

 

[pmcg76]

Boardman on itv talking briefly on Armstrong. Doesn't seem like someone who has anything to fear from an epo test being released. Im guessing he wont be 1 of the 48.

Yes, it will be interesting to see if Boardman is clean of EPO. It might demonstrate what a clean athlete could achieve during the EPO era. Maybe we should start a bookie on this. Will Boardman be on the list for taking EPO.

 

[andy1234]

Yes, it will be interesting to see if Boardman is clean of EPO. It might demonstrate what a clean athlete could achieve during the EPO era. Maybe we should start a bookie on this. Will Boardman be on the list for taking EPO.

He will be clean, put me down for a fiver....