Jalabert positive for EPO in 1998 TDF

[Race Radio]

Prior to testifying Jaja was warned. The Senate told him to be careful as they knew who doped in 98.

Apparently their report on doping will be issued on July 18th and will name a lot of names

 

[Race Radio]

sounds like you don't want these riders to be revealed.

Sounds like you are trolling

 

[Granville57]

Apparently their report on doping will be issued on July 18th and will name a lot of names

Is there any indication as to why they chose that particular date?

Should be wonderful for whoever is wearing yellow or has the latest stage win. Sponsors must be stoked too.

 

[Race Radio]

Is there any indication as to why they chose that particular date?

Should be wonderful for whoever is wearing yellow or has the latest stage win. Sponsors must be stoked too.

It is the Alp d'Huez stage of the Tour.

To be fair Jaja testified in May and the timeline has always been sometime in July

 

[frenchfry]

Instead of naming the 40 or so riders who used EPO how about naming the DS' and doctors who supplied it and are still in the sport

Unless you have been living in a cave none of those names will be a surprise to anyone. Doctors and DS' poison dozens of riders over the years but it is always the riders who get pushed out of the sport, seldom the DS or the doctor

While I can understand the frustration of revealing positives dating back to 1998 that were retested in 2004, the good of this is that influential ex-riders like Jalabert can no longer display the blatant hypocrisy and allegiance to omerta like they have been doing for years, often in very public roles.

Going after the enablers has always proven difficult. The UCI will say they don’t have the authority to do anything, but they should look to USADA for an example of how to ban “doctors” from official roles with teams and riders. Of course these “doctors” continue to work secretly but it is more difficult. Look at how riders kept going to Ferarri after he was black listed, they just couldn't keep away (and he is probably still quite busy). After a while it is even hard to blame Ferarri, he is only responding to a strong demand.

There is also a lot of reliance on the justice system, which has proven mostly ineffective as evidenced by the Fuentes case. It is amazing though that as late as 2012 doping “doctors” like Leinders are employed by major pro teams in official roles, and other teams continue this trend even today with seemingly no restrictions imposed by the governing body UCI.

 

[nevada]

Is there any indication as to why they chose that particular date?

Should be wonderful for whoever is wearing yellow or has the latest stage win. Sponsors must be stoked too.

Gonna make great telly as Kimmage looks for interviews with those named.

 

[gooner]

Prior to testifying Jaja was warned. The Senate told him to be careful as they knew who doped in 98.

Apparently their report on doping will be issued on July 18th and will name a lot of names

I hope this isn't just mainly singled out to cycling. Deschamps done his testimony behind closed doors unlike Jaja and said afterwards that it is by no means certain if it will be disclosed either and that the Senate panel have the right to keep it from coming out in the open if they wish to.

 

[Race Radio]

I hope this isn't just mainly singled out to cycling. Deschamps done his testimony behind closed doors unlike Jaja and said afterwards that it is by no means certain if it will be disclosed either and that the Senate panel have the right to keep it from coming out in the open if they wish to.

The Senate report should have this in the annexes. I understand the format will be the report itself, including suggestions of actions to take, and annexes that include the list of positives.

One important point, the test was done using the 85% level as a positive. Today the level is 70%. It is very possible a rider would test negative and still have used EPO

 

[webvan]

Prior to testifying Jaja was warned. The Senate told him to be careful as they knew who doped in 98.

Actually he said on TV that he'd been told that important news would be coming out on the 1998 tour but that he wasn't concerned http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Jalabert-je-prends-un-coup/381186

D'ailleurs, quand j'ai été auditionné au Sénat, on ne m'a jamais mentionné cette chose-là. Au contraire, on m'a dit qu'une annonce concernant les échantillons du Tour 1998 allait être faite, et qu'elle ne concernait pas Laurent Jalabert lui-même

...a basic trap or an unfortunate misunderstanding?

...that could be costly since it seems he lied under oath about never working with a doctor outside the team, not the case it seems with links with Ferrari : http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...-citroen-et-docteur-ferrari_3436126_3242.html

In other news the badger is NOT happy about the 1998 positives popping up now http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/-ils-se-foutent-de-notre-gueule/381750 - never a good time to break the bad news, eh...

 

[Race Radio]

Actually he said on TV that he'd been told that important news would be coming out on the 1998 tour but that he wasn't concerned http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Jalabert-je-prends-un-coup/381186 ...a basic trap or an unfortunate misunderstanding?

...that could be costly since it seems he lied under oath about never working with a doctor outside the team, not the case it seems with links with Ferrari : http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...-citroen-et-docteur-ferrari_3436126_3242.html

In other news the badger is NOT happy about the 1998 positives popping up now http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/-ils-se-foutent-de-notre-gueule/381750 - never a good time to break the bad news, eh...

Perhaps a misunderstanding, or Jaja is trying to downplay it, but they did tell him that they had results of EPO tests from the 98 Tour and they knew who was positive. Bassons was told the same thing

 

[Le breton]

Perhaps a misunderstanding, or Jaja is trying to downplay it, but they did tell him that they had results of EPO tests from the 98 Tour and they knew who was positive. Bassons was told the same thing

Hi RR,
about the number of "positives" in that TdF98 sample, here are the numbers according to Rue89

44 positifs à l’EPO ;
9 sans EPO ;
7 impossibles à interpréter.

I'll come back with links to Rue89 which is doing an outstanding job on this issue
http://www.rue89.com/rue89-sport/2013/06/26/leut-cru-senat-prone-revolution-contre-dopage-243663

plus other links at the bottom of the page

There are so many very interesting points discussed there that I couldn't possibly summarize, would take me all day

 

[ToreBear]

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[webvan]

Found this : http://www.rue89.com/rue89-sport/2013/03/27/est-donc-liste-positifs-tours-france-98-99-240950 but it dates back to March :

1998 : 60 retests, 44/EPO - 9/Non - 7/can't tell
1999 : 54 retests, 20/EPO - 33/can't tell

 

[Le breton]

Fatiguant.

js

well, almost : the adjective is fatigant

the "participle présent" is fatiguant

 

[Race Radio]

Hi RR,
about the number of "positives" in that TdF98 sample, here are the numbers according to Rue89

44 positifs à l’EPO ;
9 sans EPO ;
7 impossibles à interpréter.

I'll come back with links to Rue89 which is doing an outstanding job on this issue
http://www.rue89.com/rue89-sport/2013/06/26/leut-cru-senat-prone-revolution-contre-dopage-243663

plus other links at the bottom of the page

There are so many very interesting points discussed there that I couldn't possibly summarize, would take me all day

out of 60 samples, that is 75%. A huge number. What is surprising is that reports back in 2005 did not report the same % of positives for the 98 samples.

Interesting to note that in 99 only 16 samples tested positive, 9 of them belonged to lance another 3 were from the Prologue....kind of kills the whole "Everyone was doing it" nonsense

 

[Le breton]

My guess is French since I know a bit about French. Could be a real guy or a meat puppet. Turn up the BBQ.....

Mais franchement, defendre a nouveau les tricheurs devient tres tres fatiguee...

French? No.
He might be from googletranslatelandia

 

[Le breton]

out of 60 samples, that is 75%. A huge number. What is surprising is that reports back in 2005 did not report the same % of positives for the 98 samples.

Interesting to note that in 99 only 16 samples tested positive, 9 of them belonged to lance another 3 were from the Prologue....kind of kills the whole "Everyone was doing it" nonsense

That supports the view I have been defending since 1999, that it is Armstrong who relaunched the arms' race.

Yet, even though most racers were negative in those tests of 99, as Bassons and Vayer said then, a majority of the peloton was doped up.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Seriously, why the hell have they to do it on the day of the Alpe 'DUez stage. I mean come on, that's just plain stupid and kills cycling. They could at least wait until the Tour is finished.

 

[Ferminal]

It's their fault for having their biggest stage on a weekday.

 

[Race Radio]

Found this : http://www.rue89.com/rue89-sport/2013/03/27/est-donc-liste-positifs-tours-france-98-99-240950 but it dates back to March :

1998 : 60 retests, 44/EPO - 9/Non - 7/can't tell
1999 : 54 retests, 20/EPO - 33/can't tell

Some of this does not add up.

In 2005, when the report of the retest came out, 99 only had 12 positives with an additional 4 that were "Borderline". Now they say there were 20 positives.

Did they perform 2 retests? Did one have increased sensitivity?

 

[Bavarianrider]

I just realized that Ullrich was tested 9 times during the 1998 Tour. There are 9 "non", that would be too epic

 

[kungzlatan]

It's their fault for having their biggest stage on a weekday.

yes someone must have be really drunk when they choices to have the stage on a thursday...

 

[Bavarianrider]

It's their fault for having their biggest stage on a weekday.

Still, the lab or who ever publishes those names could have acted a bit more friendly. I mean it really wouldn't have changed a thing if they waited another week. To me it seems that they are really seeking for attention.

Ho will the names be released. Press Conference?

 

[Mr.38%]

Interesting to note that in 99 only 16 samples tested positive, 9 of them belonged to lance another 3 were from the Prologue....kind of kills the whole "Everyone was doing it" nonsense

I guess you know JVs comment of himself being + on days 1-3 and presumably most riders stopped using inside France.

It's also my impression that Lance and VDB are main resposibles for an immediate arms race after the '98 fallout.

 

[Race Radio]

Still, the lab or who ever publishes those names could have acted a bit more friendly. I mean it really wouldn't have changed a thing if they waited another week. To me it seems that they are really seeking for attention.

Ho will the names be released. Press Conference?

I doubt they did it intentionally. The process was set months ago They scheduled over 80 witnesses and then need time to process their finding and deliver a report