Jalabert positive for EPO in 1998 TDF

[pmcg76]

He will be clean, put me down for a fiver....

Only a fiver Andy?? thought you might have put a bit more on than that Ok, well maybe I will start a poll instead.

 

[andy1234]

Only a fiver Andy?? thought you might have put a bit more on than that Ok, well maybe I will start a poll instead.

OK a million. You know I'm good for it buddy .

 

[Avoriaz]

I understand they have all the names and they will be in an annex of the report issued July 18th.

If they were able to figure out Jaja then they should be able to figure out all the others

Riders committee want the release pushed back because they "aren't of that generation". One member is Voigt, who was in that race.....

 

[Ride to forget]

Voigt is shameless, as ever.

 

[roundabout]

Yeah, but I am going to presume that he has only 1 vote in this matter.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Idiot should have confessed when he had the chance.

Scratch that, idiots.

If there's one thing we've learned, at this point in time you confess and it's almost a formality - saying what we all pretty much know or highly suspect. Mostly true fans won't really care. Holding onto the lie is going to make you look like a total fool and liar. And either way you're likely to lose your job. Confess and you may one day get it back.

 

[frenchfry]

Idiot should have confessed when he had the chance.

Scratch that, idiots.

If there's one thing we've learned, at this point in time you confess and it's almost a formality - saying what we all pretty much know or highly suspect. Mostly true fans won't really care. Holding onto the lie is going to make you look like a total fool and liar. And either way you're likely to lose your job. Confess and you may one day get it back.

For example, Jalabert was outed, and as a result left his place as TV consultant to Cédric Vasseur - who was certainly a doper himself but hasn't been caught or outed (yet). If Jalabert had admitted to doping at the senate commission, it probably would have made some noise but also would have blown over quickly.

Our loss, as Jaja is an excellent commentator and Vasseur is bland at best.

 

[Le breton]

……
Cédric Vasseur - who was certainly a doper himself but hasn't been caught or outed (yet).

So, you don't think he got kicked out from US Postal because he wouldn't follow the prescribed doping program?

 

[pugdog]

So, you don't think he got kicked out from US Postal because he wouldn't follow the prescribed doping program?

He got kicked out following his massive sulk about not being selected for the TdF team when the Tour was starting in his hometown. The team was booed and got death threats if I remember correctly.

 

[frenchfry]

So, you don't think he got kicked out from US Postal because he wouldn't follow the prescribed doping program?

At the time I asked myself that very question (as I also thought that perhaps Michael Barry was always left off the TDF team because he wouldn't dope - and we know how that ended). Then the Cofidis turmoil came along and I found Vasseur's attitude was very omerta-like as he aggressively attacked the messenger. I admit my opinion about Vasseur is subjective, but I just didn't like how he dealt with that. I also think he is "bateau" as a commentator.

 

[Athame]

I see some old french pro is trying to get the data from the hearing held. I hope he is successful. This information is useless in terms of todays race, just an interesting side note in the history of doping.

Apparently, Robert Millar can't be said to share that exact sentiment. What's certain, however, is that he does not appreciate the timing of the release of the list.

"The high-profile withdrawal of Laurent Jalabert is just one step of a necessary process which is going to hang heavily over this year's event and it doesn't matter if guys like Bernard Hinault stand up and say things have changed or not."

Robert Millar

 

[Le breton]

out of 60 samples, that is 75%. A huge number. What is surprising is that reports back in 2005 did not report the same % of positives for the 98 samples.

Interesting to note that in 99 only 16 samples tested positive, 9 of them belonged to lance another 3 were from the Prologue....kind of kills the whole "Everyone was doing it" nonsense

I went back to ANNEX 1 of Tygart's/USADA reasoned decision.

One can see that some samples are declared positive through visual inspection, but only 12 samples have %ages of isoforms attached to them.

The threshold for positivity was 75%, but since there is a 10% uncertainty, the cut was placed at 85%.

6 samples belong to L.A., here are the %ages and id numbers

96.6 185 557
88.7 185 479
95.2 185 475
100 160 297
89.7 157 372
89.4 186 397

6 "non L.A." samples are positives with %ages also given in Annex1

86.5% 94.4% 95.5% 99.9% 97.1% 93.1%

3 samples look borderline but most likely positive with
78.2% 81.3% 69.1%

A few - don't know which I should count as definitely positive, possibly up to 4 - more samples are visually positive, but no %ages attached.

I don't know where you found that 3 L.A. samples were either inconclusive or negative.

 

[Le breton]

in 1999 few racers won stages :
- L.A 4
Cipollini 4
Steels 3
Etxebarria 2
Kirsipuu
Guerini
Commesso
Konyshev
Escartin
Mondini
McEwen

Only 2 wore the yellow jersey : L.A. and Kirsipuu

Hopefully there was a valid analysis for Escartin

 

[42x16ss]

I hate to flog a dead horse here but I've only just caught up on the thread. There is one problem with not slamming the positive riders from the '98 TdF - A good number of them are now prominent staff members on current teams.

Stephens, McEwen, Riis, Julich, McGee, Peeters, Steels, Verbrugghe, Knaven, Wauters, Merckx, JV, Sciandri, Voigt, O'Grady and that's just off the top of my head. Martinelli, Unzue, LeFevere and Madiot are still running teams.

If these guys were doping during their riding days, what are they doing for riders now as DS? And if the guys still running teams weren't above board, how do we know they've changed their ways???

 

[Race Radio]

Some "Positive" news. The French Senate will delay the issuing of their report until after the Tour

 

[Benotti69]

Some "Positive" news. The French Senate will delay the issuing of their report until after the Tour

But lets hope it leaks before the end and we see some deserved red faces during this 100th Tour.

This sport still needs waking up!

 

[blackcat]

I hate to flog a dead horse here but I've only just caught up on the thread. There is one problem with not slamming the positive riders from the '98 TdF - A good number of them are now prominent staff members on current teams.

Stephens, McEwen, Riis, Julich, McGee, Peeters, Steels, Verbrugghe, Knaven, Wauters, Merckx, JV, Sciandri, Voigt, O'Grady and that's just off the top of my head. Martinelli, Unzue, LeFevere and Madiot are still running teams.

If these guys were doping during their riding days, what are they doing for riders now as DS? And if the guys still running teams weren't above board, how do we know they've changed their ways???

Mcgee is back in Australia.

 

[blackcat]

in 1999 few racers won stages :
- L.A 4
Cipollini 4
Steels 3
Etxebarria 2
Kirsipuu
Guerini
Commesso
Konyshev
Escartin
Mondini
McEwen

Only 2 wore the yellow jersey : L.A. and Kirsipuu

Hopefully there was a valid analysis for Escartin

Mcewen won the final stage. After 98, very small chance he and Rabo would have brought ice and epo in cocktail hip flasks

 

[observer]

I'm more interested in the current riders out of this report.

Stuart O'Grady
1998 Team GAN Held yellow stage 4-6

Jens Voight
1998 Team GAN Held polka dot jersey Stage 9

Would be very interesting if either of these old school current riders are flagged.

 

[42x16ss]

I'm more interested in the current riders out of this report.

Stuart O'Grady
1998 Team GAN Held yellow stage 4-6

Jens Voight
1998 Team GAN Held polka dot jersey Stage 9

Would be very interesting if either of these old school current riders are flagged.

O'Grady also won a stage later on in '98, so there may be another chance for him to pop a +.

If Voigt is found out this could get hilarious. "But it wasn't necessary any more after the raids!" anyone?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Some "Positive" news. The French Senate will delay the issuing of their report until after the Tour

Too bad, a missed opportunity for max impact.

Gotta be released while the season is still in motion.

 

[DirtyWorks]

A good number of them are now prominent staff members on current teams. .....
...
If these guys were doping during their riding days, what are they doing for riders now as DS? And if the guys still running teams weren't above board, how do we know they've changed their ways???

I started a thread on this topic not long ago! http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21014

The first post lists most of the very senior management in the current WorldTour elite. The people you list are further down the organization. Cleanest peloton ever!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Some "Positive" news. The French Senate will delay the issuing of their report until after the Tour

After the Froome/Porte annihilation of just about all French hopes of a good result in the this year, perhaps the French Senate should reconsider and send the report out during the Alpe stage, just to remind people the type of mess doping can do to sporting results.

 

[Tonton]

After the Froome/Porte annihilation of just about all French hopes of a good result in the this year, perhaps the French Senate should reconsider and send the report out during the Alpe stage, just to remind people the type of mess doping can do to sporting results.

Interesting point

 

[lemoogle]

After the Froome/Porte annihilation of just about all French hopes of a good result in the this year, perhaps the French Senate should reconsider and send the report out during the Alpe stage, just to remind people the type of mess doping can do to sporting results.

Pinot annihilated his chances of a good result himself though I would say that descending was appalling.