Jan Ullrich

[hfer07]

CAS applies the rules as defined by UCI and WADA. They don't take into account if the rider is riding or not riding.

If anything its gives some hope if the Armstrong case ever went to CAS they would apply a sanction and stripping of titles to him.

that's the only hopeful wish out of this entire mess

 

[mr. tibbs]

Ullrich's "career ends in disgrace"? I think you're right, CN: the disgrace of the governing body.

Pantani
Hamilton
Ulle
Basso
Valverde
Landis
Contador

Who's missing from this list?

 

[spalco]

How nice Ullrich gets smacked over the head and Contador only gets a couple months.

 

[Granville57]

Why would he want to confess to anything?

He's been sanctioned, and he lost a few less-than-stellar results (I'm not too sure he's pining over that third place Tour podium). He's been retired for years now, and seems to be quite content away from competetive cycling. If he's dying to race again, he can do so in 18 months.

Zero up-side.

To clear his conscience, end the questioning and just get everything out on the table? I have to wonder if there was more behind this story:
Ullrich considering a doping confession?

If he were to confess, I would expect that to happen in the very near future, if at all. Waiting would only prolong the agony, I would think.

 

[SiAp1984]

There are rumours that he is going to partially confess tonight or tomorrow morning.

Funny footnote: Earlier this week, Ullrich secured a commercial deal with a German company for it's shampoo trademark "Alpecin" which is used for caffeine shampo. The established slogan for this product is "Alpecin. Doping für die Haare. Nur für die Haare" ("Alpecin. Doping for hair. For hair only").

 

[Granville57]

...and we have this

 

[DirtyWorks]

CAS applies the rules as defined by UCI and WADA. They don't take into account if the rider is riding or not riding.

If anything its gives some hope if the Armstrong case ever went to CAS they wouild apply a sanction and stripping of titles to him.

I still can't wrap my brain around the fact the UCI doggedly pursued this one and lets other Puerto customers alone. Total shot in the dark: maybe it caused enough disturbance at the German Olympic federation to inspire the UCI to act?

 

[MacRoadie]

To clear his conscience, end the questioning and just get everything out on the table? I have to wonder if there was more behind this story:
Ullrich considering a doping confession?

If he were to confess, I would expect that to happen in the very near future, if at all. Waiting would only prolong the agony, I would think.

Exactly. His ONLY motivation would be at a very personal level. If he is looking for some sort of catharsis, I wouldn't expect it to be an exhaustive discourse on the history of his personal PED use.

 

[thehog]

I still can't wrap my brain around the fact the UCI doggedly pursued this one and lets other Puerto customers alone. Total shot in the dark: maybe it caused enough disturbance at the German Olympic federation to inspire the UCI to act?

I agree it’s bizarre. The baffling decision making process of which riders to pursue and which riders not to pursue is strange.

Even Kloden has dodged a massive bullet in terms of doping. His case in not much different than Ullrich’s.

No wonder the UCI struggles to gain credibility. But in world where they are the kings and work in a bubble they really can do as they please.

 

[Granville57]

Germans still waiting for Ullrich's comments on CAS decision

...many noted that the most important comments are still to come – from Ullrich himself.

“The CAS decision itself wasn't so exciting,” former teammate Rolf Aldag told the dpa news agency. "What will be much more interesting is what Jan will say. He knows what he can say. In any case, it is of course silly that such a finding is only issued six years after his last race.

Popcorn, anyone?

 

[webvan]

I think he's going to spill the beans on EPO, stopped in 1998, was forced to start again after the 2004 fiasco, Pevenage paved the way, he needs it as a catharsis and he keeps the 2000 Olympic medal.

 

[Nick C.]

Ok. I get your point. But trying to scan that list now and looking for riders not incriminated directly in doping is worthless. Even if there is no direct association.

I agree with that.

 

[GJB123]

He doesn't have to tell all or do a tearful confession, but I believe if he accepts responsibility for what he has done he will be able to move on with his life, which he appears to be doing quite well, which is great to see.

As if he wouldn't have been able to move on with his life just perfectly without this protracted circus.

Regards
GJ

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

I still can't wrap my brain around the fact the UCI doggedly pursued this one and lets other Puerto customers alone. Total shot in the dark: maybe it caused enough disturbance at the German Olympic federation to inspire the UCI to act?

I agree it’s bizarre. The baffling decision making process of which riders to pursue and which riders not to pursue is strange.

Even Kloden has dodged a massive bullet in terms of doping. His case in not much different than Ullrich’s.

No wonder the UCI struggles to gain credibility. But in world where they are the kings and work in a bubble they really can do as they please.

For sure. Does setting a precedence make any sense in this case of Ulle's? It seems for precedence to have any teeth or be a deterrent there needs to be some consistency applied.

 

[stainlessguy1]

There are rumours that he is going to partially confess tonight or tomorrow morning.

Funny footnote: Earlier this week, Ullrich secured a commercial deal with a German company for it's shampoo trademark "Alpecin" which is used for caffeine shampo. The established slogan for this product is "Alpecin. Doping für die Haare. Nur für die Haare" ("Alpecin. Doping for hair. For hair only").

ha ha ,, but cyclists don't have much hair ,,,,,,, duh .

 

[AngusW]

Interesting week in the pursuit of justice...

Contador is caught in July 2010 and loses the Tour and all subsequent results but his 2 year ban starts in August 2010 - shouldn't the ban start from the day of the positive test? Maybe I'm just being picky but I'd like to know the reason for the apparent discrepancy.

Ullrich loses all results from May 2005 - June 2006 (not to mention not being unable to start the Tour in July 2006). He is effectively banned for that period. However, he then gets an official ban of two years, starting in August 2011. The evidence presented to CAS must have showed clearly that Ullrich started his doping (for this case) in May 2005, hence annulling his results from that time onwards. Okay, but given he's been retired since 2007, why the additional ban? Why not just ban him for life and give the UCI what they want? Is CAS making an example of him because his lawyers managed to use the rules to delay the case for 4+ years?

And Armstrong - well, the less said about that the better...at least his fans will feel vindicated. Good for them!

BTW: I'd really love it if Ullrich made a full confession. Hearing the truth from a pro cyclist would be a refreshing change.

 

[Gregory]

Ullrich's "career ends in disgrace"? I think you're right, CN: the disgrace of the governing body.

Pantani
Hamilton
Ulle
Basso
Valverde
Landis
Contador

Who's missing from this list?

You may add Heras to your list

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

Truly a strange day. A strange day to add to a very strange last 7 days. Who would have said that this time last week we would be looking at Contador & Ullrich banned, but Armstrong getting away with it? Not me, that's for damn sure.

The Ullrich case really is the icing on a pretty tasteless cake. To think that possibly the most naturally talented cyclist of this or any generation goes down because his only choice was to compete in the arms-race, that stirs my soup big-time. And to add to that, the bloke who was no doubt contributing to Ullrich's bad choices walks away free. Rich and free. Smug, rich and free.

It's been an awful week for all of us who've loved cycling within the last 20 years. Jan Ullrich could have been the greatest GT rider of all time, but the game changed around him and he was never cynical enough to fully exploit the horrible new world in which he found himself.

The guy will always have my respect. He feels shame for what he did and now competes in Grand Fondo races for fun rather than paying $1m to get a pro slot at Kona. Anyone with half a clue about cycling knows that the career of Jan Ullrich was a career of gloriously unfulfilled potential, not because it was his fault, but because he was working in a world where right and wrong no longer mattered.

The UCI slowed itself today. I'm ashamed, TRULY ashamed that Pat McQuaid is an Irishman. He doesn't repsesent me or my countrymen.

My only hope is that Jan spills the beans now. There's some soup which needs some spit in.

 

[Cloxxki]

This is what happens when a rider doesn't try to procedurally delay a ruling...

I bet Ullrich for himself made a point of not doping as hard as others. When tendency amongst his competition was the opposite.

 

[webvan]

Truly a strange day. A strange day to add to a very strange last 7 days. Who would have said that this time last week we would be looking at Contador & Ullrich banned, but Armstrong getting away with it? Not me, that's for damn sure.

The Ullrich case really is the icing on a pretty tasteless cake. To think that possibly the most naturally talented cyclist of this or any generation goes down because his only choice was to compete in the arms-race, that stirs my soup big-time. And to add to that, the bloke who was no doubt contributing to Ullrich's bad choices walks away free. Rich and free. Smug, rich and free.

It's been an awful week for all of us who've loved cycling within the last 20 years. Jan Ullrich could have been the greatest GT rider of all time, but the game changed around him and he was never cynical enough to fully exploit the horrible new world in which he found himself.

The guy will always have my respect. He feels shame for what he did and now competes in Grand Fondo races for fun rather than paying $1m to get a pro slot at Kona. Anyone with half a clue about cycling knows that the career of Jan Ullrich was a career of gloriously unfulfilled potential, not because it was his fault, but because he was working in a world where right and wrong no longer mattered.

The UCI slowed itself today. I'm ashamed, TRULY ashamed that Pat McQuaid is an Irishman. He doesn't repsesent me or my countrymen.

My only hope is that Jan spills the beans now. There's some soup which needs some spit in.

Same here, I think that Ulle's going to come clean on EPO (the rest is peanuts and was there before and doesn't turn a donkey into a thoroughbred as Hinault once put it), we won't have rooted for him in vain.

 

[jmspinto]

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And yet he had lose to Armstrong!.. Pretty intriguing!

Leave the man alone, he and Pantani were probably the most exciting riders I´ve ever seen!!

Originally Posted by mr. tibbs
Ullrich's "career ends in disgrace"? I think you're right, CN: the disgrace of the governing body.

Pantani
Hamilton
Ulle
Basso
Valverde
Landis
Contador

Who's missing from this list?

Guess who? Some american fellow that has won 7 times a GT!.. I've always thought that Superman had that stupid outfit blue/red outfit.

 

[craig1985]

CAS applies the rules as defined by UCI and WADA. They don't take into account if the rider is riding or not riding.

If anything its gives some hope if the Armstrong case ever went to CAS they wouild apply a sanction and stripping of titles to him.

Surely they would want to hurry up and get the ball moving because it's getting a bit late in the day to start stripping Armstrong's Tour titles off him, How far can they go back, 2003, 2004?

 

[thehog]

Has the UCI commented on Ullrich? Their silence is deafening.

 

[sherer]

Has the UCI commented on Ullrich? Their silence is deafening.

weren't the UCI the ones bringing this case to CAS anyway unlike the LA one where it was the feds and they weren't involved in it, hence the difference

 

[Escarabajo]

Surely they would want to hurry up and get the ball moving because it's getting a bit late in the day to start stripping Armstrong's Tour titles off him, How far can they go back, 2003, 2004?

2010 - 8 years. Well this is just according to what Landis said. That was one of the reasons why he hurried up to confessing.