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I always checked Jan's 2nd chin if he was in top shape or not.



Not sure if posted yet, but GC Baby Giro 1994.

1 ITA Leonardo Piepoli ITA in 42h 39m 56.00s
2 ITA Ruggero Borghi ITA at 07.00s
3 ITA Francesco Secchiari ITA at 33.00s
4 ITA Michele Laddomada ITA at 01m 42.00s
5 ITA Filippo Simeoni ITA at 02m 14.00s
6 ITA Giuseppe Di Grande ITA at 03m 02.00s
7 ITA Stefano Finesso ITA at 04m 14.00s
8 ITA Roberto Dal Sie ITA at 05m 27.00s
9 ITA Eddy Mazzoleni ITA at 05m 41.00s
10 ITA Rudy Mosole ITA at 05m 55.00s
 
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doperhopper said:
thehog said:
Dear Wiggo said:
slowspoke said:
How flat is Bjarne's back!?
God forbid! Riis is not wearing an aero helmet! Didn't Greg LeMond teach these guys anything about gaining a minute in 27km? ;)
come on, he has this super aero bold head - typical marginal gains, even before it became mainstream
True but Greg had showed us the way! What was Riis thinking!
 
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D-Queued said:
thehog said:
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True but Greg had showed us the way! What was Riis thinking!
He was thinking that with his 'crit score, he don't need no damn pointed head helmet.

Dave.
Still lost 2.20" to Ullrich. He also put a minute into Indurain, who I gather was quite good at time trailing.
 
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chuckmicD said:
Riis didn't need no stinking helmet.
:D
I loved Ullrich.

Also, kudos to Merckx Index and your posting. I always learn something from them and appreciate the time and effort put in. :)
 
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thehog said:
ray j willings said:
The year Jan didn't get to start with Basso. Jan looked lean and mean.
If only:(
ASO spoilt the fun for everybody :cool:
I guess he still would've been slaughtered by Basso.

After all it was Robo Basso of team PFC!

Remember there ain't been any traces of EPO in his Fuentes blood bags. But you ain't gonna tt like Armstrong as a pure climber with some fresh blood and hemopure only I suggest!
 
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staubsauger said:
thehog said:
ray j willings said:
The year Jan didn't get to start with Basso. Jan looked lean and mean.
If only:(
ASO spoilt the fun for everybody :cool:
I guess he still would've been slaughtered by Basso.

After all it was Robo Basso of team PFC!

Remember there ain't been any traces of EPO in his Fuentes blood bags. But you ain't gonna tt like Armstrong as a pure climber with some fresh blood and hemopure only I suggest!


Ullrich (predictably) beat Basso in the long TT of the 2006 Giro. A little under a month and half before the start of the Tour. http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2006//giro06/?id=results/giro0611

Also predictably, Ullrich got better and better as the stages went by. He abandoned during stage 19, couple stages before the end of the Giro.

Point is, Ullrich probably would have suffered a similar fate at the TDF that year. Perhaps I am wrong, but, even with the TT win at the Giro, and the overall title at the Tour De Suisse (also won the final TT at that race), his form probably wouldn't have been good enough to win that year. The tour was wide open that year, with Armstrong retired, but I think Basso would have made it a Giro-Tour double.
 
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BullsFan22 said:
staubsauger said:
thehog said:
ray j willings said:
The year Jan didn't get to start with Basso. Jan looked lean and mean.
If only:(
ASO spoilt the fun for everybody :cool:
I guess he still would've been slaughtered by Basso.

After all it was Robo Basso of team PFC!

Remember there ain't been any traces of EPO in his Fuentes blood bags. But you ain't gonna tt like Armstrong as a pure climber with some fresh blood and hemopure only I suggest!


Ullrich (predictably) beat Basso in the long TT of the 2006 Giro. A little under a month and half before the start of the Tour. http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2006//giro06/?id=results/giro0611

Also predictably, Ullrich got better and better as the stages went by. He abandoned during stage 19, couple stages before the end of the Giro.

Point is, Ullrich probably would have suffered a similar fate at the TDF that year. Perhaps I am wrong, but, even with the TT win at the Giro, and the overall title at the Tour De Suisse (also won the final TT at that race), his form probably wouldn't have been good enough to win that year. The tour was wide open that year, with Armstrong retired, but I think Basso would have made it a Giro-Tour double.
Perhaps, but there was a long ITT before the first mountain stage, so Ullrich probably would've wore the yellow at least for a while. And his team was ridiculously strong, lost two riders and still should've won the Tour.
 
Ullrich got out of the rehab clinic in Germany, but went back to Mallorca, and went back to drinking alcohol immediately. The newspapers in Germany say Ullrich has been seen drinking whiskey, that he never really intended to give up alcohol in the first place, and that he has been acting erratically again - climbing around on the rooftop of his villa while "carrying a cloth chicken" (a kind of plush chicken stuffed-animal bird).


A mistake by many alcoholics is to think they can drink in moderation, when actually they can't, and it just starts the cycle of addiction over again. So, probably more trouble is to come, for Jan Ullrich. Maybe he will stay off of the amphetamines at least, but not convinced that the psychosis from the stimulant drugs has worn off completely.
Resurrecting the Ullrich thread in the Clinic, as the place for any CN post-meltdown Jan Ullrich commentary. To move the drama out of the PRR section as sugggested.
 
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ClassicomanoLuigi said:
Ullrich got out of the rehab clinic in Germany, but went back to Mallorca, and went back to drinking alcohol immediately. The newspapers in Germany say Ullrich has been seen drinking whiskey, that he never really intended to give up alcohol in the first place, and that he has been acting erratically again - climbing around on the rooftop of his villa while "carrying a cloth chicken" (a kind of plush chicken stuffed-animal bird).


A mistake by many alcoholics is to think they can drink in moderation, when actually they can't, and it just starts the cycle of addiction over again. So, probably more trouble is to come, for Jan Ullrich. Maybe he will stay off of the amphetamines at least, but not convinced that the psychosis from the stimulant drugs has worn off completely.
Resurrecting the Ullrich thread in the Clinic, as the place for any CN post-meltdown Jan Ullrich commentary. To move the drama out of the PRR section as sugggested.
Why isn't this guy in jail where he belongs?
 
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El Pistolero said:
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
Ullrich got out of the rehab clinic in Germany, but went back to Mallorca, and went back to drinking alcohol immediately. The newspapers in Germany say Ullrich has been seen drinking whiskey, that he never really intended to give up alcohol in the first place, and that he has been acting erratically again - climbing around on the rooftop of his villa while "carrying a cloth chicken" (a kind of plush chicken stuffed-animal bird).


A mistake by many alcoholics is to think they can drink in moderation, when actually they can't, and it just starts the cycle of addiction over again. So, probably more trouble is to come, for Jan Ullrich. Maybe he will stay off of the amphetamines at least, but not convinced that the psychosis from the stimulant drugs has worn off completely.
Resurrecting the Ullrich thread in the Clinic, as the place for any CN post-meltdown Jan Ullrich commentary. To move the drama out of the PRR section as sugggested.
Why isn't this guy in jail where he belongs?
In jail? Will that really help him? Or society? I am not sure it would..
 
Norks74 said:
El Pistolero said:
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
Ullrich got out of the rehab clinic in Germany, but went back to Mallorca, and went back to drinking alcohol immediately. The newspapers in Germany say Ullrich has been seen drinking whiskey, that he never really intended to give up alcohol in the first place, and that he has been acting erratically again - climbing around on the rooftop of his villa while "carrying a cloth chicken" (a kind of plush chicken stuffed-animal bird).


A mistake by many alcoholics is to think they can drink in moderation, when actually they can't, and it just starts the cycle of addiction over again. So, probably more trouble is to come, for Jan Ullrich. Maybe he will stay off of the amphetamines at least, but not convinced that the psychosis from the stimulant drugs has worn off completely.
Resurrecting the Ullrich thread in the Clinic, as the place for any CN post-meltdown Jan Ullrich commentary. To move the drama out of the PRR section as sugggested.
Why isn't this guy in jail where he belongs?
In jail? Will that really help him? Or society? I am not sure it would..
Well there is that assault charge looming...
It's sad, but he seems like he hasn't hit rock bottom yet. I'm afraid this isn't going to end well. Hopefully he will gets some help, either voluntarily or forced.

On a side note, I thought he would blow up and gain a ton of weight in retirement. He looks fitter than he did in most off seasons during his career!
 
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benzwire said:
Norks74 said:
El Pistolero said:
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
Ullrich got out of the rehab clinic in Germany, but went back to Mallorca, and went back to drinking alcohol immediately. The newspapers in Germany say Ullrich has been seen drinking whiskey, that he never really intended to give up alcohol in the first place, and that he has been acting erratically again - climbing around on the rooftop of his villa while "carrying a cloth chicken" (a kind of plush chicken stuffed-animal bird).


A mistake by many alcoholics is to think they can drink in moderation, when actually they can't, and it just starts the cycle of addiction over again. So, probably more trouble is to come, for Jan Ullrich. Maybe he will stay off of the amphetamines at least, but not convinced that the psychosis from the stimulant drugs has worn off completely.
Resurrecting the Ullrich thread in the Clinic, as the place for any CN post-meltdown Jan Ullrich commentary. To move the drama out of the PRR section as sugggested.
Why isn't this guy in jail where he belongs?
In jail? Will that really help him? Or society? I am not sure it would..
Well there is that assault charge looming...
It's sad, but he seems like he hasn't hit rock bottom yet. I'm afraid this isn't going to end well. Hopefully he will gets some help, either voluntarily or forced.

On a side note, I thought he would blow up and gain a ton of weight in retirement. He looks fitter than he did in most off seasons during his career!
I touched on this previously. Dude looks like he could tear up a masters race with a few weeks training!
 
El Pistolero said:
Why isn't this guy in jail where he belongs?
I cannot understand his legal situation either, he was in jail for only one day, and why would he be allowed to leave Germany at all ??? The prosecutors certainly seem like they consider it a grave situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c95uP8u3Pvc
Doesn't seem like she is joking. But on the other hand, because of some technicality, they didn't keep him in custody. Maybe because of his celebrity, and Ullrich being stalked all the time by paparazzi, they figure he's not going to flee Majorca... but how do they know that? The manslaughter case is "under investigation" but doesn't make sense that he is free to travel internationally, so I lost interest in trying to understand
benzwire said:
In jail? Will that really help him? Or society? I am not sure it would..
Ullrich is already on a 21-month suspended jail sentence in Switzerland, for injuring two people in a drunk-driving crash. So it has to do with jurisdiction, if he had done these assaults in Switzerland, then he would be in jail right now for violating his probation. It might help society, that's why violent offenders get locked-up, to try to correct their dangerous behavior. It might help Ullrich, by enforcing a sober and drug-free period of his life, since the rehab didn't have much effect on his addiction. Or it might not...
Norks74 said:
Well there is that assault charge looming... It's sad, but he seems like he hasn't hit rock bottom yet. I'm afraid this isn't going to end well. Hopefully he will gets some help, either voluntarily or forced.
On a side note, I thought he would blow up and gain a ton of weight in retirement. He looks fitter than he did in most off seasons during his career!
[quote="Amazinmets87I touched on this previously. Dude looks like he could tear up a masters race with a few weeks training!
Yeah, why didn't he just ride granfondos like Riccò, or take up triathlon as a hobby like Rolf Aldag (who also knows a lot about doping on Telekom, having been a super-doper himself). What's wrong with that? I think it's because Ullrich damaged the cartilage or tendons in his knee to the point it can't be surgically repaired, and therefore he's never going to be a real cyclist again "mein knie ist leider kaputt"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnoZEmJiQx4
So that must be kind of hard to accept, if there is no more cycling, then what to do with himself. But he is obsessed with fitness and repetitive exercise, you can see in the video he is doing all kinds of workouts. To blow off "the energy" which he otherwise can't control. My opinion, based on everything I have seen, is that Ullrich went into a persistent psychotic state, because of the amphetamines, which can last for weeks or months, even after stopping the drugs. Being a "speed freak" and going for days without sleep while doing relentless activity, that will burn the calories and keep the fat off. Or loss of appetite, not eating, preferring alcohol as a source of calories versus eating solid food.
 
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Well, he has a steady place of residence within the European Union. I suppose law enforcement agencies of Spain and Germany work together well enough for him to be allowed to return to this home until his trial starts.
 
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jan-ullrich-pens-open-letter-about-his-substance-abuse-and-road-to-recovery/
In an open letter published in German national newspaper, Bild, Ullrich reveals that he has just returned home from a week at a rehabilitation facility in Miami, describing it as "the first stages of my personal Tour de France".

He will now continue his recovery in German-speaking countries for the next six weeks before returning to the US for further treatment.
One can only hope he gets all the help he needs.
 
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glassmoon said:
How did that supposed assault on that woman end? Was he charged or was it dropped?
According to - from August 19 -
https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/lance-armstrong-lends-support-to-former-rival-jan-ullrich-after-admission-to-psychiatric-hospital/news-story/f3d1889f257b618ab7786907f790f06c
Ullrich had been released on bail pending an investigation for possible attempted manslaughter but suffered a panic attack according to the DPA news agency.

“Jan Ullrich was admitted to a psychiatric hospital on Friday night where his state of health is being assessed by specialists,” a Frankfurt police spokesman told AFP on Saturday.

“Due to his mental and physical state there was no other choice” but to transport him to a psychiatric unit by ambulance, the spokesman said.
He's still - as far as I know - being charged by the Spanish Police for attacking his neighbour just a week before - see
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/jan-ullrich-says-hes-therapy-following-arrest-mallorca-forceful-entry-threats-389513
 
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According to l'Equipe there are concerns about the whereabouts and welfare of Jan Ullrich. None of his friends and family have had any contact with him for 3 weeks.
 
From Claude Cat in PRR thread:

Peter Cossins
‏ @petercossins
Further concerns about the whereabouts and welfare of Jan Ullrich says @lequipe. None of his friends and family have had any contact with him for 3 weeks, a person unknown but believed to be someone he met in a Palma gym is answering his phone.
 
Tim Booth said:
According to l'Equipe there are concerns about the whereabouts and welfare of Jan Ullrich. None of his friends and family have had any contact with him for 3 weeks.
According to http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jan-ullrich-pens-open-letter-about-his-substance-abuse-and-road-to-recovery/ on October 10
In an open letter published in German national newspaper, Bild, Ullrich reveals that he has just returned home from a week at a rehabilitation facility in Miami, describing it as "the first stages of my personal Tour de France".

He will now continue his recovery in German-speaking countries for the next six weeks before returning to the US for further treatment.
I assume he's being kept away from "friends" during his detox.
 

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