Jan Ullrich

[thehog]

What are the possible outcomes? Or is it a matter of whether or not this decision will lead to other more involved charges?

How are his bike sales doing?

NW

Free man. Then he will confess a little. Good for Jan.

 

[Neworld]

Free man. Then he will confess a little. Good for Jan.

That would be good for Jan's emotional state for sure, the looming legal issues, the confessing...the moving on.

I wonder if all of Fuentes' clients knew his list of riders, or were they all left in the dark about his breadth of clients?

Too bad Jan never went for the hour record one of those years, after the TdF and before the Worlds.

NW

 

[Bavarianrider]

What are the possible outcomes? Or is it a matter of whether or not this decision will lead to other more involved charges?

How are his bike sales doing?

NW

He could be a free man or he could face a lifetime ban.
Or they'll just send it back to swiss and this goes on for another decade.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Verdict delayed to November 30th

Those lazy clowns at the Cas

 

[BroDeal]

Ullrich will be at a Gran Fondo event in Miami on Nov. 20th.

 

[Black-Balled]

My personal experience with him as recently as a few months ago has been fantastic and the guy really is a "good" guy, irrespective of what his involvement in doping was.

What really bothers me about these witch-hunts and public assassinations is that 90-some-percent of the assassins probably have never spoken a word in private to their victims, yet they pursue them as if they are the spawn of the devil who raped and murder both their wife and their daughter. Meanwhile, Ullrich has been more supportive and encouraging to me than my own mother. I'm all for anti-doping, but I'm not for anti-doping for its own sake and certainly not with the goal in mind of humiliating or harming someone like Jan Ullrich who is so not the problem.

And what the UCI said about the need to pursue Jan so as not to set a precedent is BS. They're not the Supreme Court or even a judicial body and leaving Ullrich alone doesn't prevent them from pursuing the next, current doper.

Joe, you more than anyone know that crimes against cycling are but a small portion of a man's being. That said, if laws are broken then there are consequesnces...

I am also alarmed at the UCI's declaration that it wishes to make an example of Jan.

I am also happy to read of your recent sentence. Congrats, could have been way worse and I hope your life has melloweed recntly.

 

[thehog]

My personal experience with him as recently as a few months ago has been fantastic and the guy really is a "good" guy, irrespective of what his involvement in doping was.

What really bothers me about these witch-hunts and public assassinations is that 90-some-percent of the assassins probably have never spoken a word in private to their victims, yet they pursue them as if they are the spawn of the devil who raped and murder both their wife and their daughter. Meanwhile, Ullrich has been more supportive and encouraging to me than my own mother. I'm all for anti-doping, but I'm not for anti-doping for its own sake and certainly not with the goal in mind of humiliating or harming someone like Jan Ullrich who is so not the problem.

And what the UCI said about the need to pursue Jan so as not to set a precedent is BS. They're not the Supreme Court or even a judicial body and leaving Ullrich alone doesn't prevent them from pursuing the next, current doper.

The relentless pursuit of Ullrich say compared to Armstrong (after the 6 EPO positives) is interesting. Each case is similar in nature but both handled by the UCI at each end of the scale.

 

[BroDeal]

Somebody clue me in on what the UCI hopes to accomplish with its appeal to CAS. Can CAS order the Swiss to reopen their investigation? If they do then what is to stop the Swiss from taking another five years or long enough that eight years have passed?

 

[Neworld]

Somebody clue me in on what the UCI hopes to accomplish with its appeal to CAS. Can CAS order the Swiss to reopen their investigation? If they do then what is to stop the Swiss from taking another five years or long enough that eight years have passed?

With the known payoffs from the Armstrong camp to the UCI, who knows what control, affect, friends he still has there. Maybe LA is still trying to put the heat on JU now more than ever...diversionary optics.

NW

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Somebody clue me in on what the UCI hopes to accomplish with its appeal to CAS. Can CAS order the Swiss to reopen their investigation? If they do then what is to stop the Swiss from taking another five years or long enough that eight years have passed?

Yes - this stems from JU retiring in 2007, so he had not renewed his licence for that year. As he hadn't the Swiss claim they have no jurisdiction to start proceedings against him.

So CAS would not be ruling on JU & doping - they would be ruling if Swiss Olympic can (re)start an investigation against him.

Although at this stage there should be an investigation in to why there are so many delays.

 

[webvan]

From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-ullrich-verdict-delayed

"One year later, Ullrich's DNA was used to reportedly match blood found at Fuentes' headquarters to him."

So no one's gone on record officially about that DNA matching? Interesting...

 

[thehog]

With the known payoffs from the Armstrong camp to the UCI, who knows what control, affect, friends he still has there. Maybe LA is still trying to put the heat on JU now more than ever...diversionary optics.

NW

Doubt it. If Ullrich has an official “black mark” it looks worse for the Armstrong is clean storyline. You know a clean Armstrong beating a blood doped Ullrich looks even more ridiculous.

 

[roundabout]

From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-ullrich-verdict-delayed

"One year later, Ullrich's DNA was used to reportedly match blood found at Fuentes' headquarters to him."

So no one's gone on record officially about that DNA matching? Interesting...

Shows once again how *** the handling and reporting of Puerto was when people can pretend that nothing official has happened.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/apr07/apr04news

Edit: and the guy has retired. I am sure a rider retiring in good faith with no intention of doing a Mancebo/Vinokourov wouldn't really care how long resolving his case would take.

 

[Neworld]

Doubt it. If Ullrich has an official “black mark” it looks worse for the Armstrong is clean storyline. You know a clean Armstrong beating a blood doped Ullrich looks even more ridiculous.

true dat. NW

 

[Cobblestoned]

Yes - this stems from JU retiring in 2007, so he had not renewed his licence for that year. As he hadn't the Swiss claim they have no jurisdiction to start proceedings against him.

So CAS would not be ruling on JU & doping - they would be ruling if Swiss Olympic can (re)start an investigation against him.

Although at this stage there should be an investigation in to why there are so many delays.

Der Jan returned his licence in October 2006, before discliplinary actions were opened.
Brilliant move and for most people the significance of this brilliant move became clear just few years later.
The Suisse closed this loophole later, but this won't apply to Ullrich any more.

 

[Cobblestoned]

From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-ullrich-verdict-delayed

"One year later, Ullrich's DNA was used to reportedly match blood found at Fuentes' headquarters to him."

So no one's gone on record officially about that DNA matching? Interesting...

It's official (if we can trust German prosecutors) and the test was done by BKA, as part of the federal investigation done by Mr.Apostel.
The only thing unclear is the amount of bloodbags. Reports went from 2 to 9.
I doubt 9, because it makes no sense. I also doubt 2,3,6,7 and 8. lol

Short before Ullrich would have been forced to give his DNA samples, he paddled over to the other side of the Bodensee and "freely" gave his samples at a police station.
Otherwise he would have been arrested and forced to give a sample, as soon as he touched German ground.

 

[webvan]

Thanks, wasn't aware of all these details...I take it he didn't really paddle his way across the Bodensee ? ;-)

 

[Cobblestoned]

Thanks, wasn't aware of all these details...I take it he didn't really paddle his way across the Bodensee ? ;-)

I am said to have no clue about anything around here - but at least when it's about Ullrich, Freiburg and other "German" issues, you can trust in me.
Just ask.
Ok, Ullrich didn't paddle over. But perhaps on a paddle boat.
At the moment it is fun to watch the developement of the Freiburg comission.
I mean the real, big comission.
They are busy in hiding widely German organized doping in Freiburg through all the sports. They stinged into a wasp-nest.
Results and report delayed and delayed.....many changes in the comission. dangerous ground. tbc
As a sidenote, I often realize that people speak about Eastern raised kids/athlets, GDR system doped etc.
Please do me a favour and do not doublestandard.

Western Germany wasn't any better when it comes to doping systems.
Don't get fooled by this. No, I am not from Eastern Germany.

If you are interested, just have a look what our Mr.Schäuble did and said in the past. Testo-study on German athlets...ordered from above etc.

 

[webvan]

Fat lady about to sing ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ullrich-cas-ruling-expected-this-week

"The repeated postponements of the CAS rulings in the last months were troubling and difficult to handle emotionally. Once the verdict is announced, I will need some time to come to terms with it - regardless of what it will be," Ullrich told German Focus magazine.

Nevertheless, the 1997 Tour de France winner is expected to issue a statement following the court ruling. This has been in the works since November last year, and Ullrich's manager Nier has not denied that it could be a doping confession. According to Nier, the expected statement will "respond to the yet unanswered questions regarding the CAS ruling and the doping issue."

 

[MarkvW]

I am said to have no clue about anything around here - but at least when it's about Ullrich, Freiburg and other "German" issues, you can trust in me.
Just ask.

Western Germany wasn't any better when it comes to doping systems.
Don't get fooled by this. No, I am not from Eastern Germany.

If you are interested, just have a look what our Mr.Schäuble did and said in the past. Testo-study on German athlets...ordered from above etc.

The doping of children, the involvement/pressure of the entire state system (including the Stasi), the widespread program, and the lasting and devastating lifetime health consequences, are four considerations that distinguish the East German system. I've seen nothing suggesting anything like that coming from the West--until your post.

 

[Cobblestoned]

The man looks extremely lean and fit here.
Ready for the World Tour.

 

[Cobblestoned]

The doping of children, the involvement/pressure of the entire state system (including the Stasi), the widespread program, and the lasting and devastating lifetime health consequences, are four considerations that distinguish the East German system. I've seen nothing suggesting anything like that coming from the West--until your post.

If you mean this serious, I would be willing to lead you to some good sources.
Not me, of course. no panic.

Here is one who does good work. There also happens a lot of good work.
Mostly German.
But he also works using English.
http://www.jensweinreich.de/

 

[HL2037]

Sing what must be sung:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Jh4KjPP-o

Fat lady about to sing ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ullrich-cas-ruling-expected-this-week

 

[MarkvW]

If you mean this serious, I would be willing to lead you to some good sources.
Not me, of course. no panic.

Here is one who does good work. There also happens a lot of good work.
Mostly German.
But he also works using English.
http://www.jensweinreich.de/

You mean the West Germans were doing state-sponsored doping of children from an early age using drugs that caused lasting and serious after effects?

 

[Neworld]

The man looks extremely lean and fit here.
Ready for the World Tour.

Nice pic mein Herr, wo ist das? Got any more?


So, the UCI is STILL investigating Ullrich for doping...ok. Sounds like that will end soon and maybe Ulle will spill something to cleanse his soul, I hope for his emotional health he does. That won't bode well for all that beat him from 2000-2005.

What is the UCI prepared to do to Lance, DZ, GH, CVV...once the FDA and USADA make firm statements and indictments? Actually, I already know what they are NOT going to do. And some people in here think that doping and 'protection' we're equal in the recent past. Time will tell.

NW