Jasper Philipsen thread

[jmdirt]

Congrats JP!

Solid first weekend of March!

 

[Unchained]

Bird's eye view of his sprint has him destroying everyone else!! Speed demon!! Nobody was close

 

[Didinho]

Looked like he trained more on endurance for the classics after his last sprints but today he was really impressive.

 

[jono]

Looked like he trained more on endurance for the classics after his last sprints but today he was really impressive.

Where does he slot in your personal ranking of classics riders? There can't be too many you'd choose ahead of him at this point.

 

[Didinho]

Where does he slot in your personal ranking of classics riders? There can't be too many you'd choose ahead of him at this point.

Roubaix results speak for themselves. Some semi classics and Sanremo won in a sprint or a good echelon win before. But the longer hilly races will always be too hard. Don’t want to put a number on riders. He’s really good from Omloop untill Roubaix. E3 and Flanders not for him. Curious what he can do in Wevelgem this year.

 

[MJR]

I can't help but wonder - when does he want leadership for PR? Second place two years in a row means he can win.

I know vdP will want to win again, but there has to be a bit of "you ride for me here, I'll ride for you there" behind the scenes with those two. I'd expect vdP to put Flanders first and foremost on his demands. They're both huge stars at this point.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Where does he slot in your personal ranking of classics riders? There can't be too many you'd choose ahead of him at this point.

Only Pogacar, Van der Poel and Evenepoel rank above him, in my opinion.

 

[AmRacer]

Only Pogacar, Van der Poel and Evenepoel rank above him, in my opinion.

How many different classics has Remco won?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

How many different classics has Remco won?

I suspect you already know that, but if not, it's easy to look up. If you're arguing that Philipsen is a better classics rider than Evenepoel, I'd love to hear your arguments. I'm not sure why how many different classics, as opposed to how simply how many classics, is important, though.

 

[tobydawq]

I can't help but wonder - when does he want leadership for PR? Second place two years in a row means he can win.

I know vdP will want to win again, but there has to be a bit of "you ride for me here, I'll ride for you there" behind the scenes with those two. I'd expect vdP to put Flanders first and foremost on his demands. They're both huge stars at this point.

Philipsen must be a great politician. He gets Mathieu to ride for him at the Tour and at MSR but then not at PR, but it's not like Mathieu wins because Philipsen is there - he just destroys the opposition.

 

[tobydawq]

How many different classics has Remco won?

LBL, San Sebastián, Worlds, Olympics.

Philipsen has MSR, De Panne and Kuurne...

 

[Peyroteo94]

Philipsen must be a great politician. He gets Mathieu to ride for him at the Tour and at MSR but then not at PR, but it's not like Mathieu wins because Philipsen is there - he just destroys the opposition.

He overachieved a lot in his career due to MVP. It would be a bad decision if he ever left his team.

 

[AmRacer]

LBL, San Sebastián, Worlds, Olympics.

Philipsen has MSR, De Panne and Kuurne...

Are Worls ,Olympics and San Remco classics?

 

[AmRacer]

I suspect you already know that, but if not, it's easy to look up. If you're arguing that Philipsen is a better classics rider than Evenepoel, I'd love to hear your arguments. I'm not sure why how many different classics, as opposed to how simply how many classics, is important, though.

How many classics, exept monuments, have Remco raced? How many have Jasper raced and what results does he have in those?

 

[Brullnux]

Are Worls ,Olympics and San Remco classics?

Yeah

 

[Hugo Koblet]

How many classics, exept monuments, have Remco raced? How many have Jasper raced and what results does he have in those?

Again, you probably know the answer already. If not, then you can easily look it up. I don't have to do that for you.

What I don't understand, though, is why non-monument classics suddenly are more important than monuments, when obviously it should be the other way around. Could it be that it's because it doesn't fit your arguments?

 

[AmRacer]

Again, you probably know the answer already. If not, then you can easily look it up. I don't have to do that for you.

What I don't understand, though, is why non-monument classics suddenly are more important than monuments, when obviously it should be the other way around. Could it be that it's because it doesn't fit your arguments?

Let's talk about the whole UCI world tour then. Or doesn't that fit your arguments?

 

[Brullnux]

LBL, San Sebastián, Worlds, Olympics.

Philipsen has MSR, De Panne and Kuurne...

And Scheldeprijs! Never forget Scheldeprijs. Philipsen absolutely smokes Remco when it comes to random 1.1 and 1.Pro Belgian one day races, which, as we all know, are the real classics

 

[Brullnux]

Let's talk about the whole UCI world tour then. Or doesn't that fit your arguments?

Best bit is here that Remco still has more WT one day wins than Philipsen

 

[tobydawq]

Let's talk about the whole UCI world tour then. Or doesn't that fit your arguments?

So we can't talk about the biggest one-day races in the world?

I guess it's your arguments that don't fit.

 

[Brullnux]

So we can't talk about the biggest one-day races in the world?

I guess it's your arguments that don't fit.

If you ignore the world championships and olympics because they're not real classics (?), and San Sebastian because Remco is too good at it, and LBL because Pogacar didn't finish those races, then Philipsen has a way better classics record.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Let's talk about the whole UCI world tour then. Or doesn't that fit your arguments?

Alright, I'll take the troll bait and hand you the statistics (pro tip: you can use the website www.google.com to find stuff like this):

Olympics wins:
Evenepoel: 1
Philipsen: 0

Worlds wins:
Evenepoel: 1
Philipsen: 0

Monument wins:
Evenepoel: 2
Philipsen: 1

Other WT one day-races wins:
Evenepoel: 3
Philipsen: 3

If you're arguing that Philipsen is the better classics rider because he has won more 1.Pro and 1.1 races, I have no counter argument and you win.

 

[Sciatic]

Are Worls ,Olympics and San Remco classics?

San Remo absolutely. Classics are not just the monuments or Spring cobbled classics.

 

[jono]

San Remo absolutely. Classics are not just the monuments or Spring cobbled classics.

I feel like I could have nipped this whole argument in the bud by specifying "cobbled classics rider" like I had intended to.

Where does he slot in your personal ranking of classics riders? There can't be too many you'd choose ahead of him at this point.

I was hoping to invite comparisons with guys like Jorgenson, Pedersen, van Aert, Laporte, Kung, etc.

I don't think it's possible to argue in favor that Philipsen is a better classics rider overall than Remco, if that term includes races like Liege, Lombardia, Olympics, etc., but I guess at least one person disgarees.

 

[AmRacer]

Jasper
Omloop
KBK
MSR
Milano-Torino
E3
PR
Gent-W, maybe
Paris-Tours

Remco
Strade (should win)
Amstel
Fleche
LBL
San Sebastian
Emilia
Lombardia

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RVV, don't know who's best
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Olympics and World's aren't classics