Jennie Longo pulls a Rasmussen

[joe_papp]

The logical reaction would be to just put 100% of the blame on Joe Papp, as his name is already out there. No way would he implicate anyone else.

Ha. If Ciprelli had any concern for anyone other than himself, he would man-up and admit to the purchase (which is indisputably proven via evidence confirming the money transfer, the dispatching of the drugs to France, receipt of the drugs in France - and of course Ciprelli's request to buy the drugs and confirmation of intent to proceed, to pay, paying, etc) - and he would disclose who they actually went to.

If they were for Pitel, then he could say so and kinda save Longo.
If they were for Longo (which is what he indicated initially, though w/o naming her directly), then he could clear the name of Pitel.
If they were for his own use, then he could clear both of them.
If they were for them both - well, that's a bit more difficult (yet given that he took receipt of 120,000iu of EPO, it is plausible that both riders benefited).

But Ciprelli is going to have to, at some point, admit to this, because again - the evidence is overwhelming and these aren't allegations I've raised - I simply confirmed the accusations made by L'Equipe.

 

[Benotti69]

The logical reaction would be to just put 100% of the blame on Joe Papp, as his name is already out there. No way would he implicate anyone else.

The logical reaction is to do everything he can to avoid prison.

How can he blame Joe Papp, by saying JP forced Ciprelli to inquire about epo, then JP forced Ciprelli to part with money and finally JP forced Ciprelli to accept delivery?

It'll be interesting to see if Ciprelli admits they were for Longo to save Pitel. Could get messy!

 

[Freddythefrog]

If they were for Pitel, then he could say so and kinda save Longo.
If they were for Longo (which is what he indicated initially, though w/o naming her directly), then he could clear the name of Pitel.
If they were for his own use, then he could clear both of them.
If they were for them both - well, that's a bit more difficult (yet given that he took receipt of 120,000iu of EPO, it is plausible that both riders benefited).

Joe is being kind. If Longo didn't dope through her career, then she would not have, as a long term partner, a person who would condone doping and risk implicating Longo by doing Pitel a favour and supplying her. "You want some what - EPO, Yes, well I've no idea where that comes from but give me a few days and I'll sort some out for you! Jeannie do you want some while I'm at it ?" He would have said "get-lost" to Pitel. If Longo did dope and Ciprelli purchased, then Pitel may well have been ignorant. After all, her relationship with Ciprelli was short, long enough for an athlete to give the relationship a worthwhile go and then come to the conclusion that he was doing nothing for her/find out something she did not like, and leave. So Pitel may well be innocent but Longo cannot be. This then is another example in the stupidity of dopers. As soon as Joe started singing, Longo should have hung up her wheels. If she was retired she might have not been pursued. Certainly, it appears that the testers were pursuing her and she was dull/arrogant enough to think she could get away with her past indiscretions.

I was going to post earlier, but it would be mean spirited, seeing as how at first it was only missed tests and no positive result. Now, that it is obvious that she, like so many others has stolen medals and livelihood from the deserving, she warrants no sympathy.

A good few years ago I was in conversation with a female elite rider, who I admire greatly, who had ridden against her many times. From nowhere, she stated that there was rumour that when Longo took time off for racing and the stated reason was that "she was trying for a baby", the alternate was she had actually tested positive and the ban was entirely informal, based on protecting her cult status. "You don't race for a year and we will not tell a soul you tested positive. Race, and we go public!" The person telling me, was fair enough to state it was a rumour, but did state that often, Longo would turn up on the line with sticking plasters on arms and legs where needles would go.

Entirely separately, a few years ago I listened to the genuine complaint of an elite French rider. She was bemoaning the fact that the French Federation put so little into women's racing. That was bad in itself. What compounded it was that the first and major cut from the meagre available funding always went to Longo and Ciprelli. They were in clover whilst the rest had nothing. Then the French Fed wondered why female talent dropped out of cycling so quickly.

Sadly the French cycling press are as chauvinistic as that in the UK and so there was no outlet for any news story about any developing riders or unfairnesses. Women's cycling started and finished with Longo and that was that.

It is rather sad to think that the "road block" maybe was not based on some supreme athletic talent.

 

[Cloxxki]

By lack of a Like button, here's to Freddy's last post.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

As to Freddy, ditto...

 

[skippy]

Attacking " Freddy " does not solve Joe's credibility which we have to accept since he has " raced bikes " as an occupation with some other questionable personalities !

Given that what he says is " Fact " then has all this been passed to the Proper Authorities rather than as " tittle tattle " to those such as us in the forum ? We will not decide his future " domicile "in October .

 

[Freddythefrog]

Not normal

Skippy - I don't think that Cloxxki or JMBeaushrimp were attacking my comment. We hope that evidence Joe has presented is investigated, verified or disproved and the consequence of such new information followed through and a fair result achieved. Perhaps Joe can tell us how many doses 120,000iu of EPO gives and how long its effects remain effective for.

As to weird behaviour - I can remember going to a Tour Femm in the late 90's and watching several days of racing. (This was in the time when it was a 16 day race, before the attacks from Society TdF.) Longo was not riding in the race but each day rode the stage ahead of the race. Now that is one heck of an expensive and convoluted way to get some training in. As a training exercise, it is obviously barking. It was an exercise in point scoring. "I might not be in the race - but just you watch and see". As to the truth as to why she was not in the race - I don't know. Sadly, given the history of the sport, it is likely that speculation about why she was not racing is about as near as we will get.

Somehow I can't see Longo or Ciprelli doing a Joe Papp. "Well let me tell you about each of those 13 World titles I won and the role of PEDs in each. Well number 6 was about the time I watched this great big fella - Mig Indurain - go up the Alps like he was on a motorbike and it got me to thinking......"

 

[Benotti69]

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Somehow I can't see Longo or Ciprelli doing a Joe Papp. "Well let me tell you about each of those 13 World titles I won and the role of PEDs in each. Well number 6 was about the time I watched this great big fella - Mig Indurain - go up the Alps like he was on a motorbike and it got me to thinking......"

Cloxxki and JMBeaushrimp were applauding.

I imagine that the Ciprelli/Longo are preparing the Basso defence that they bought the stuff but never used it. We can only hope that some of her samples are around to be retested.

 

[joe_papp]

the evidence is already verified in USA at least...

...We hope that evidence Joe has presented is investigated, verified or disproved and the consequence of such new information followed through and a fair result achieved. Perhaps Joe can tell us how many doses 120,000iu of EPO gives and how long its effects remain effective for...

Not trying to be overbearing but the evidence has already been verified and the transaction confirmed here in the USA. While it remains to be seen how the French will decide to use that evidence, the genuineness of the transaction isn't in dispute - it's already confirmed as having occurred as described in the emails.

120,000iu is a lot of EPO. Just as a point of reference, a 145lb cyclist might use 3000iu 3x/week for 3-4 weeks before switching to a maintenance dose schedule. So for the first month you'd consume 36,000iu approximately and have over 80,000iu remaining...

The effect of EPO tends to remain for approximately a month after last dose though of course it tapers/diminishes.

Cloxxki and JMBeaushrimp were applauding.

I imagine that the Ciprelli/Longo are preparing the Basso defence that they bought the stuff but never used it. We can only hope that some of her samples are around to be retested.

Isn't kind of a moot point since she's guilty of a doping violation resulting from the three missed tests? The appeals process there takes place before an official missed test warning is even issued - so there isn't an explanation now for missing the tests...they've already been confirmed as inexcusable. Only question is how long of a suspension, at least if WADA rules are followed?

 

[Freddythefrog]

Not trying to be overbearing but the evidence has already been verified and the transaction confirmed here in the USA. While it remains to be seen how the French will decide to use that evidence, the genuineness of the transaction isn't in dispute - it's already confirmed as having occurred as described in the emails.

Thanks Joe - for the info - I did not know.

Thanks also for the info on the dosage. That certainly is a lot of EPO ! Not buying a small sample to have a test a see what it does ! Getting the stocks in for a long term program !

 

[usedtobefast]

it seems Longo has some big apologists here. i would say, save your breath. just think about the reality. a really remarkable career, so tainted. no turning back from that. as Joe said,she is F'd.

 

[Benotti69]

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Isn't kind of a moot point since she's guilty of a doping violation resulting from the three missed tests? The appeals process there takes place before an official missed test warning is even issued - so there isn't an explanation now for missing the tests...they've already been confirmed as inexcusable. Only question is how long of a suspension, at least if WADA rules are followed?

Yeah she's guilty of missing tests and will face a ban no question, but probably a small ban if she goes quietly, but if she does a denial about missing tests to hide the obvious doping and pleading ignorance to Ciprelli's actions she'll be hung out to dry.

Hence Basso took his Medicine, a 2 year ban, had a career after and kept his wins.

Longo can most likely keep her wins and her legacy if she takes the ban for missing tests and retires, No?

Another example in the sport of 'if it looks to good to be true it most likely isn't true'.

 

[MarkvW]

Attacking " Freddy " does not solve Joe's credibility which we have to accept since he has " raced bikes " as an occupation with some other questionable personalities !

Given that what he says is " Fact " then has all this been passed to the Proper Authorities rather than as " tittle tattle " to those such as us in the forum ? We will not decide his future " domicile "in October .

Reporters very rarely dig up the great story all by themselves. They don't have the time or resources. Also, sports reporters are generally not the highest wattage bulbs.

Your argument makes sense only if the newspaper based its story on the uncorroborated word of a felon. Not likely.

 

[Benotti69]

Reporters very rarely dig up the great story all by themselves. They don't have the time or resources. Also, sports reporters are generally not the highest wattage bulbs.

Your argument makes sense only if the newspaper based its story on the uncorroborated word of a felon. Not likely.

Maybe American ones aren't since their ignorance for years of what was plainly obvious to at least 4 European sports journalists!

 

[MarkvW]

Maybe American ones aren't since their ignorance for years of what was plainly obvious to at least 4 European sports journalists!

That's kind of my point. Reporters deal well with the "plainly obvious" and material that has been spoon-fed to them. They generally (with exceptions) don't do very well when it comes to digging up new stories and fully investigating them.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

The only people stupider than cycling 'journalists' are the riders. To be fair, it's pretty offensive to proper journalists that people who write about cycling and get paid for it are allowed to call themselves journalists. Fluffer and Press release rewriter would be more accurate.

 

[Merckx index]

Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli has called for an investigation into the conduct and behaviour of the Agence Française de Lutte contre le Dopage (AFLD), the French anti-doping agency, which has lodged a complaint against the 52-year-old, according to RMC Sport. The AFLD has claimed that Longo-Ciprelli missed three random anti-doping tests in the previous eighteen-month period and so, under World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) regulations, she should be in line for a ban of between three months and two years...

The central part of Longo-Ciprelli’s defence though, it seems, is that the AFLD did not act in accordance with the WADA code, and the corresponding French law of 2006. In an article of the French law, an athlete is only required to be a part of the AFLD random testing pool for a maximum period of one year. During the time that the multiple French, World and Olympic champion is alleged ot have missed the three tests, her legal team claims, she was not part of that pool.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...-French-anti-doping-agency.aspx#ixzz1ZBx9Uf6G

 

[Cloxxki]

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...-French-anti-doping-agency.aspx#ixzz1ZBx9Uf6G

Is it really as bent as it reads? 1 year of being a target, then you're free like a bird, regardless of level of competition?
Even when you subscribe to a gym or book club it's impossible get out. How is a pro athlete supposed to get off the hook just because of time having passed?

 

[Oldman]

The only people stupider than cycling 'journalists' are the riders. To be fair, it's pretty offensive to proper journalists that people who write about cycling and get paid for it are allowed to call themselves journalists. Fluffer and Press release rewriter would be more accurate.

I think that's true for almost any sports writer. I've met a few (some famous) and the common thread is their inferiority is only relieved by basking in the reflected limelight of people with talent they covet.

 

[ramjambunath]

Longo threatens to sue AFLD for violation of professional confidentiality

 

[Benotti69]

Longo threatens to sue AFLD for violation of professional confidentiality

Fantastic! Instead of keeping low, do the dumb thing and come out into the press fighting, bet the lawyer is behind this to make a name for himself and all the free publicity this will generate for him.

Longo is cooked. But athletes yet again show their low levels of wisdom when it comes to doping and dealing with getting caught.

 

[ramjambunath]

Well at least from this case we can confirm that she missed her tests and with a great deal of certainty say she was doping.

She shouldn't have done anything, she's pretty killed whatever little credibility she had.

 

[L'arriviste]

Longo walks - L'Equipe

Finalement, cette même commission a choisi de relaxer l'intéressée, ce mardi. La Fédération française devrait rapidement communiquer sur les raisons qui ont motivé ce choix. L'AFLD (Agence Française de Lutte contre le Dopage), pour qui cette décision est un véritable camouflet, a désormais la possibilité de se saisir de ce dossier afin de réformer cette non-sanction.

Finally, this same Commission has decided to acquit [Longo] this Tuesday. The French Federation should shortly communicate the reasons behind the decision. The AFLD, for which this decision is a proper slap in the face, now has the possibility to seize the dossier in order to alter the non-sanction.

 

[Benotti69]

the French do a Spanish.

 

[andy1234]

The only people stupider than cycling 'journalists' are the riders. To be fair, it's pretty offensive to proper journalists that people who write about cycling and get paid for it are allowed to call themselves journalists. Fluffer and Press release rewriter would be more accurate.

And you spend all of your time discussing those "stupid" people.

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