Jens Voigt.....is ridiculous

[blackcat]

Eh?.......

That is, I don't think he is writing columns on how he wouldn't dope and there are no sycophantic journalists ready to proclaim his cleanliness to the masses.

I just mean that he pplays up to his sycophants, the commentators, liggett and sharwen, telling us how he attacks the lifeblood outta da peloton

thumbing his nose

 

[Cycle Chic]

Originally Posted by doperhopper
and maybe yet another transformation next year - how about Jens on the Tour podium?

"I have three concrete offers from the Sky team, Saxo Bank-[Tinkoff] and our RadioShack-[Nissan] team is still looking promising. Maybe I will stay there," Voigt told the German Press Agency.

Yep Golden Handshake continues for 'nice chappy' Jens !

 

[tsophoto]

"Three days before the start of the Tour de France in 1998, a masseuse on the Festina team was stopped at the French-Belgian boarder at Dublin. His car was full of EPO ampoules and other such preparations. The news reached Dublin, where teams were readying themselves for the Tour.

Jaksche: At first I thought: What are they so upset about? Everyone’s got it with them, isn’t this normal? What’s the problem? No one liked doping, not Stanga nor Riis, but in the world that we were living in, there was no feeling of wrong-doing. But, of course the situation was uncomfortable, and then of course as the Tour progressed, we were all scared of being pulled over by the police because of their anti-doping laws. I asked Jens Voigt, rider in the then Gan-team what his team does. Voigt says: One of our riders suggested burying stashes along the route. We felt like little mini-gangsters. One of our team members had the idea to hide the EPO in a double-bottomed vacuum that we carried with us on Tour. Polti, our sponsor, is a household appliance manufacturer, after all. We fit 10,000 ampoules into this vacuum including cooling packs. I just went into the bus after each stage and gave myself a shot. During the Tour, the regiment was 2,000 units every other day EPO with an additional growth hormone in order to regenerate faster, and insulin to help store carbs better. After ten or twelve days I quit this, the risk of getting caught was just too high."

Where did this quote come from?

Edit: Found it, thx! http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/07/10/joerg-jaksche-der-spiegel-article-translation/

 

[Cycle Chic]

Thanks ...Interesting reading.

 

[BroDeal]

Originally Posted by doperhopper
and maybe yet another transformation next year - how about Jens on the Tour podium?

"I have three concrete offers from the Sky team, Saxo Bank-[Tinkoff] and our RadioShack-[Nissan] team is still looking promising. Maybe I will stay there," Voigt told the German Press Agency.

Yep Golden Handshake continues for 'nice chappy' Jens !

The overwhelming evidence by Sky apologists in this thread has convinced me. If Sky wants Voigt then he must be juicing.

 

[will10]

Where did this quote come from?

Edit: Found it, thx! http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/07/10/joerg-jaksche-der-spiegel-article-translation/

Wow, I'd not read Jaksche's account in full before. Very interesting, thanks very much

 

[Ripper]

Jens' performance was not ridiculous. He's always been one who can work and get in breaks. He's also been able to climb OK, depending on the climb and if he has rested a bit for it. I am not saying he's not doping or never doped (doh ), but this year his Tour performances do not raise my eyebrows.

One team stood out though

 

[Caruut]

Jens' performance was not ridiculous. He's always been one who can work and get in breaks. He's also been able to climb OK, depending on the climb and if he has rested a bit for it. I am not saying he's not doping or never doped (doh ), but this year his Tour performances do not raise my eyebrows.

One team stood out though

My thoughts exactly. He has always been a fighter, fantastic on the flat and okay on the climbs. It's worth noting that he often got dropped on the climbs and then fought back on the descents and flat. That's how one would expect him to be in a breakaway group. Doped? It's pro-cycling, probably yes. Anything out of the ordinary? I don't see that his performance gives evidence for that.

 

[sniper]

Where did this quote come from?

Edit: Found it, thx! http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/07/10/joerg-jaksche-der-spiegel-article-translation/

Wow, I'd not read Jaksche's account in full before. Very interesting, thanks very much

a most interesting read indeed. very nicely shows how cyclists are genuinely unaware of any wrongdoing, simply cuz everybody does it, and cuz it's the doctors and DSs who lead them the way.

good thing UCI fully supported Jaksche's whistleblowing by facilitating his comeback and starting thorough investigations into his allegations.

 

[doperhopper]

Just for curiosity, any rumors of anyone allergic to EPO? That would be a carrier-ending "healt defect" during this era.

Jaksche:

The problem was that I developed blisters/hives on my upper body. After the Tour de Suisse I went to a local doctor in Nuernberg, the doctors there were mystified. I couldn’t tell them what I was on, after all. Finally I was treated in Italy with a round of anti biotics. As a joke, Stanga said “Gee, hopefully you’re not allergic to EPO!”

 

[Benotti69]

a most interesting read indeed. very nicely shows how cyclists are genuinely unaware of any wrongdoing, simply cuz everybody does it, and cuz it's the doctors and DSs who lead them the way.

good thing UCI fully supported Jaksche's whistleblowing by facilitating his comeback and starting thorough investigations into his allegations.

Interesting how Jaksche said the world of pro cycling was not like the mafia, it was worse, as the mafia at least take care of their own and pro cycling doesn't.

He is right of course.

This is what makes me angry about the riders that they accept the doping instead of saying lets do it without the dope.

But they are the dopes.

But it makes me believe that the DSs should be banned for life from the sport. Riis should not be in the sport along with lots of other DS vultures

 

[ianfra]

Thanks ...Interesting reading.

Great! That'll feed your obsessions!!!!!!!

 

[Dr.Sahl]

It would be dumb to claim him Clean (I would not do that with any pro rider) but atleast he got off days and often fails his breakaways in the long run... so well. already there is not as bad as Sky..

He also got a likeable Personality and thats something alot of people like, but do not think the avg clinic poster would claim him 100% clean ^^

 

[Benotti69]

Great! That'll feed your obsessions!!!!!!!

It is a pity the cycling media didn't have an obsission along time ago with doping and write about it so it would clean up hey!

Too busy polishing all those freebie bikes

 

[ianfra]

It is a pity the cycling media didn't have an obsission along time ago with doping and write about it so it would clean up hey!

Too busy polishing all those freebie bikes

Hey Chill out man. Just enjoy the riding!

I never had a freebie bike in my life!

 

[Cycle Chic]

Great! That'll feed your obsessions!!!!!!!

Oh god not you !! go read a cycling magazine and find out what a road bike looks like.

 

[the big ring]

So Sky, Wiggins, Froome etc....are ridiculous to say the least....but how come Jens Voigt 'hero to all' isnt being vilified for his performances at this Tour. I find his riding more ridiculous than Froomes.

I thought Jens was great when he came out with the whole "Shut up, legs" bit, but this Tour turned me off him a bit. He was up the road to save some face for the team, which I understand, but the performance in the break away was almost unbelievable. I found his TT performance and comments also a bit unrealistic.

Hard to believe looking at him on TV that he's only 76kg.

Alas he's popular, so expressing disbelief, as this thread reveals, won't earn you many brownie points.

He has 6 kids to feed, so I'm willing to cut him some slack

(I've already said my bit about Voekler in his own thread. That made me sick by comparison to Voigt).

 

[Cycle Chic]

6 kids to feed - reminds me of Armstrong with his rabbit breeding style - should save the planet and stop taking all that testosterone.

 

[Cycle Chic]

So Jens is 'shattered' by all the doping scandals over the decades.

He's no doubt been saying 'shut up mouth, shut up mouth' for all that time as well.

"However - and this is important - I never saw anything firsthand. So I couldn't call anybody out,..

He even brings in the 'go test and retest my samples I have nothing to hide Lance routine'.

Someone needs to ask him about the Festina Vacuum bags ????

 

[stainlessguy1]

I won't say that Voigt is clean, but the reasons why he isn't vilified in The Clinic include a long history of these performances (unlike Froome), and being 1 hr 11 mins down on GC (unlike Froome). Plus, there's the cool factor. One guy speaks from the heart, rides all day at the front in crap weather, and cracks asphalt with his face at 85 km/h. The other guy lets his girlfriend do the tweeting, rides 2nd from the rear in the Sky train, and has a face like Skeletor.

lmao ,,,,, ok .

 

[stainlessguy1]

Ah but,
He is only one hour and 11 minutes down, so if he continues things like this and takes back 5 ish minutes every day then he could be a potential Tour winner in about 2 weeks time. If he learns to sleep better and starts warming down he could be a Tour winner.
As he would be 40years old (and the Tour would be about 5 weeks) this would be ridiculous. Very ridiculous.

ok so i must add to this , i used to say that if i didnt finish in the lead group that the race wasnt long enough , because those at the front would of quit . Lmao . good one Maserati .

 

[stainlessguy1]

The overwhelming evidence by Sky apologists in this thread has convinced me. If Sky wants Voigt then he must be juicing.

Maybe Sky wants Jens because he is marketable as a crowd pleaser and people just love to see him , hear him and they come out to races to get autographs and on top of all that , he is an uplifting fellow that gives and gives to his team , and his fans . Its not always about the win for the individual but the team and the fans . .... oh and by the way , that sells newpapers and other stuff .

 

[Lukenwolf]

He even brings in the 'go test and retest my samples I have nothing to hide Lance routine'.

Someone needs to ask him about the Festina Vacuum bags ????

Armstrong never said 'retest my samples', in fact when they did he said (under oath!) that they must have been spiked.

Jens says it now - knowing that it is actually possible to do so. That makes it a wee bit different. Armstrong hid behind the 'never tested positive' shtick.

The thing I wonder about is Jaksche's story about what Jens said to him. Did he say that in all seriousness - which would be a first for Jens - or was it jokingly. I mean we're talking about the same guy, who said in interviews how briliant it is to be paid to make others suffer and also that they could still win the Tour if Astana was attacked by bears. He says quite a lot of things and doesn't mean them literally.
Back when it happened - 98 - all teams were terrified of being raided. If so, would you tell a rider from an opposing team, what your squad was doing to not get caught? I have a bit of a problem believing that.

 

[cineteq]

Jens says it now - knowing that it is actually possible to do so. That makes it a wee bit different. Armstrong hid behind the 'never tested positive' shtick.

Except that Jens hasn't won any GT. Who's really going to re-test his samples? He obviously has been advised to say that, knowing nobody's going to bother checking it. How about Contador or Evans saying that?

 

[ElChingon]

Well either Jens is so self centered he never talks to anyone other than about himself, which could be true based on his tweets, or he has or had a huge language barrier or is just so extremely shy that he never ever popped his head out to talk or look around him, this based on how he's always late to races. But then how would he know about cancer if he never talked to Lance? Yet he was at that big cancer shing-dig...

Then we have the stories how he's the best liked rider in the peloton, is he liked because he doesn't ask anything or is oblivious to his surroundings? We never have gotten that fact from his fellow riders. Some do say he's funny, is he a non-stop comedy act that is too busy making riders laugh to see whats going on? Well most comedians use their own experiences and knowledge of what they are doing to poke fun at themselves or their surroundings so something tells me I can make a reasoned decision that he knows it all and is hiding behind a conspiracy to look to the future and forget the past.