Jens Voigt.....is ridiculous

[Benotti69]

Does he dope?

Most probably, but he seems to have a huge engine and incredibly high pain tolerance.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Does he dope?

Most probably, but he seems to have a huge engine and incredibly high pain tolerance.

And performs consistently. In the recent past all of those performances were selfless team efforts, so he/we never saw any podium time for it.

Like others, I'm not saying he's clean. But his consistency suggests with Team Tandy in disarray and none of the usual super-domestique tasks, he's taking advantage of the opportunity.

 

[Cycle Chic]

its just a bit annoying that the Clinic has ignored his UNBELIEVEABLE performances in this years Tour.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I always lumped him into the old generation with Menchov, Kloden, etc: They are all understood as dopers, but less obnoxious given the way they scaled back over the years; people are just kind of waiting for them to retire and get out of the conversation.

 

[Grayguard]

its just a bit annoying that the Clinic has ignored his UNBELIEVEABLE performances in this years Tour.

Sorry, but I haven't noticed it, as being more unbelievable, than what he has done in so many Tours before this? Please enlighten me.

 

[Havetts]

Oh its one of those "Please do not think and talk about Sky, because surely others must dope too threads".

Jens never beat anyone this Tour, finishes 4 min down on Voeckler. Is in the breakaway which he has done multiple and multiple times over the last decade together with riders like Ten Dam and Stortoni, hardly World Class climbers that drop anyone at will.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Sometimes you get good information in The Clinic, but I am getting tired of every rider who wins a race getting his own thread, not to mention every rider who now rides well getting their own thread. I am not a fan of Voigt (I lost a lot of respect when he was one of the major whiners about the Roubaix stage), and he may have doped, but this trend of accusing everyone whether or not they have any suggestion, evidence, or testimony against them is ridiculous.

 

[DominicDecoco]

His has done nothing that should be considered unrealistic in this Tour. Might have been a doper some years back but he's a top lad and I'm sure he's clean these days. In my mind he is at least.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

His has done nothing that should be considered unrealistic in this Tour. Might have been a doper some years back but he's a top lad and I'm sure he's clean these days. In my mind he is at least.

Ah but,
He is only one hour and 11 minutes down, so if he continues things like this and takes back 5 ish minutes every day then he could be a potential Tour winner in about 2 weeks time. If he learns to sleep better and starts warming down he could be a Tour winner.
As he would be 40years old (and the Tour would be about 5 weeks) this would be ridiculous. Very ridiculous.

 

[afpm90]

"Three days before the start of the Tour de France in 1998, a masseuse on the Festina team was stopped at the French-Belgian boarder at Dublin. His car was full of EPO ampoules and other such preparations. The news reached Dublin, where teams were readying themselves for the Tour.

Jaksche: At first I thought: What are they so upset about? Everyone’s got it with them, isn’t this normal? What’s the problem? No one liked doping, not Stanga nor Riis, but in the world that we were living in, there was no feeling of wrong-doing. But, of course the situation was uncomfortable, and then of course as the Tour progressed, we were all scared of being pulled over by the police because of their anti-doping laws. I asked Jens Voigt, rider in the then Gan-team what his team does. Voigt says: One of our riders suggested burying stashes along the route. We felt like little mini-gangsters. One of our team members had the idea to hide the EPO in a double-bottomed vacuum that we carried with us on Tour. Polti, our sponsor, is a household appliance manufacturer, after all. We fit 10,000 ampoules into this vacuum including cooling packs. I just went into the bus after each stage and gave myself a shot. During the Tour, the regiment was 2,000 units every other day EPO with an additional growth hormone in order to regenerate faster, and insulin to help store carbs better. After ten or twelve days I quit this, the risk of getting caught was just too high."

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Ah but,
He is only one hour and 11 minutes down, so if he continues things like this and takes back 5 ish minutes every day then he could be a potential Tour winner in about 2 weeks time. If he learns to sleep better and starts warming down he could be a Tour winner.
As he would be 40years old (and the Tour would be about 5 weeks) this would be ridiculous. Very ridiculous.

 

[la.margna]

Anybody who has seen how he has climbed major climbs during his wins in the Tour of Germany 2006 and 2007, often even on the big chainring, exactly in his fighting style to come back again and never give up, are in no way surprised at Jensie's performance this Tour. Don't forget he did beat riders in hard finish climbs of the calibre of Levi, Kasheschkin (blood powered edition), Mazzoleni (Giro podium that year, PED powered), Schumacher (CERA), Andy Schleck, Bruseghin (strong climber back then), Gesink, Cunego, Rebellin (CERA), Ten Dam, etc.

So I don't see Jensie's TdF12 performance suspicious in any way at all. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I don't think anybody is surprised by Jens' performances this tour. He hasn't been smashing people to all parts like Wiggins, or having suspicious fluctuations between being utterly incompetent and the best cyclist on earth like Froome. That's probably why they haven't attracted much attention; Jens may well be taking things, but he hasn't fundamentally changed as a rider like the Sky guys.

Besides, he's a top level domestique and attacker, and an entertaining and fun character. Hey, I wanted George Hincapie to do well in 2008 and 9 even though I could have strangled him when he sucked Pereiro's wheel all the way up Pla d'Adet back in 2005.

 

[hfer07]

its just a bit annoying that the Clinic has ignored his UNBELIEVEABLE performances in this years Tour.

Let me get this straight: Here we have a team with 3 potential Leaders - One absent by injury, the second one just popped by a positive test & the 3rd is and Old German rider passed his good days-- then here we have Jens- almost at the very tail of the GC- getting in the breakaways constantly to "salvage" what is left for this disastrous team, not even succeeding at it, and somehow- he has "performed suspiciously" according to you....................


I mean..... are you on crack?

 

[mastersracer]

Sometimes you get good information in The Clinic, but I am getting tired of every rider who wins a race getting his own thread, not to mention every rider who now rides well getting their own thread. I am not a fan of Voigt (I lost a lot of respect when he was one of the major whiners about the Roubaix stage), and he may have doped, but this trend of accusing everyone whether or not they have any suggestion, evidence, or testimony against them is ridiculous.

+1 re Voigt in this TOur. Voigt says something telling in Chasing Legends - races aren't just about results but also winning the hearts of the fans. Voigt does these attacks these days mainly for that reason. He also gives hope to everyone who rides with seats too high and knees out beyond the bars...

 

[pedaling squares]

theres a Froome thread - this is Voigt !

It sure started out like a Sky/Froome thread.

So Sky, Wiggins, Froome etc....are ridiculous to say the least....but how come Jens Voigt 'hero to all' isnt being vilified for his performances at this Tour. I find his riding more ridiculous than Froomes.

 

[taiwan]

"I could win this Tour, but not at Sky"

Shut up and ride.

You would get popped, but not on Sky IMHO.

 

[la.margna]

Besides, he's a top level domestique and attacker, and an entertaining and fun character. Hey, I wanted George Hincapie to do well in 2008 and 9 even though I could have strangled him when he sucked Pereiro's wheel all the way up Pla d'Adet back in 2005.

couldn't agree more. like George a lot, but on that stage to Pla d'Adet I was freaking out and shouting in front of the TV, so disgusted was I...

 

[Avoriaz]

He hasn't been smashing people to all parts like Wiggins,

I missed that bit. When did Wiggins attack and smash everybody to bits.

As for Jens, a great character and I love him to bits, but 40 years old? He is super strong (another diesel engine like Wiggins) and I give him the benefit of the doubt

We could raise questions for all. I see there is a thread on Voeckler - also a long way behind on GC. Sky let the breaks go, and if they hold on they hold on.

Maybe they are all clean (Schleck, di gregorio aside) and we just don't know what clean is anymore

 

[DirtyWorks]

Today's stage 17, Jens finishes 30 minutes down on Sky. That's about right for a cleaner rider that put in a couple of huge efforts over the last stages.

121 Jens Voigt (Ger) RadioShack-Nissan 0:30:57

 

[VeloFidelis]

It must suck to get up early every morning and watch the Tour with the burning anticipation of jumping onto the Clinic to speculate about drug use. If you don't know what you are watching by now, there is no hope.

Any indignation or moral outrage is made ridiculous by the simple fact that you continue to watch.

 

[gobuck]

They all dope some, but they all aren't jerks.

 

[VeloFidelis]

Agreed!... No more than the rest of us.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

As for Jens, a great character and I love him to bits, but 40 years old? He is super strong (another diesel engine like Wiggins) and I give him the benefit of the doubt.

Ridiculous, In lifting up: arousing or deserving. In ridicule: extremely silly or unreasonable.

I don't buy all the Jens smack talk either and find him a great character. Deserving is what I'd call him. So maybe in that sense he is ridiculous. But I don't think of him in a negative sense.

 

[sniper]

sorry if this is too off-topic, though it could relate to Voigt at least indirectly:

I'm inclined to think doping is on the rise again in Germany.
For instance, their tennis players are experiencing quite a hell of a season, especially in the women's game, but also in the men's game (haas resurrected, kohlschreiber and mayer very consistent).

It'll be very interesting to see what happens at the olympic games.
The olympic medal chart will be a good indicator of current doping hotspots.