Jens Voigt.....is ridiculous

[Netserk]

How many careers have been destroyed here in the clinic? How many riders have been sanctioned on the basis on what has been written here?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

How many careers have been destroyed here in the clinic? How many riders have been sanctioned on the basis on what has been written here?

Must be some confusion anyway. Voigt's career as pro rider is almost over. Perhaps we are discussing his legacy?

Doped palmares vs clean. BBs, EPO, Testo, Cortisone, puffers or nothing.

 

[Granville57]

I have no illusions that some of these guys are or have cheated...

From Jensie's generation?

Not sure if that's cute, charming or just adorable.

Seriously do you really think you can destroy a riders career...

Gotta link?

 

[Ferminal]

lol why get so emotional about it. It's not labeling someone a "cheat" it's not "throwing someone under a bus"... doping is "normal", people who do it are not bad people by default (although maybe they are in your judgmental world where being a ***** is also bad). If I say I think someone is a doper it's with no judgment passed on their human qualities, it's just an interpretation of observations, the name is irrelevant. Why do you have to be so antagonistic towards people who are just doing their job and trying to look after themselves. So many lives RUINED by athletes who ignore the WADA Code, such evil!

BTW first time I've seen this, how good was it!?

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=214

1. [GER] JAKSCHE Jörg CSC 41'14"
2. [ITA] BASSO Ivan CSC
3. [GER] VOIGT Jens CSC 41"
4. [NED] BOOGERD Michael RAB 01'02"
5. [FRA] MONCOUTIE David COF 01'05"
6. [FRA] BROCHARD Laurent A2R 01'14"
7. [USA] LEIPHEIMER Levi RAB 01'15"
8. [ITA] BETTINI Paolo QSD 01'19"
9. [USA] JULICH Bobby CSC 01'25"
10. [FRA] CHAVANEL Sylvain BLB 01'30"

 

[Dazed and Confused]

lol why get so emotional about it. It's not labeling someone a "cheat" it's not "throwing someone under a bus"... doping is "normal", people who do it are not bad people by default (although maybe they are in your judgmental world where being a ***** is also bad). If I say I think someone is a doper it's with no judgment passed on their human qualities, it's just an interpretation of observations, the name is irrelevant. Why do you have to be so antagonistic towards people who are just doing their job and trying to look after themselves. So many lives RUINED by athletes who ignore the WADA Code, such evil!

BTW first time I've seen this, how good was it!?

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=214

1. [GER] JAKSCHE Jörg CSC 41'14"
2. [ITA] BASSO Ivan CSC
3. [GER] VOIGT Jens CSC 41"
4. [NED] BOOGERD Michael RAB 01'02"
5. [FRA] MONCOUTIE David COF 01'05"
6. [FRA] BROCHARD Laurent A2R 01'14"
7. [USA] LEIPHEIMER Levi RAB 01'15"
8. [ITA] BETTINI Paolo QSD 01'19"
9. [USA] JULICH Bobby CSC 01'25"
10. [FRA] CHAVANEL Sylvain BLB 01'30"

Gewiss 2.0

Bravo.

 

[roundabout]

That was a TTT though. Jaksche, Basso, Voigt, Julich, Peron, Arvesen, Blaudzun, Bartoli.

Top TTT group with any preparation.

 

[Ferminal]

Yeh, would be interested in the splits. Moncoutie looks to have done well but that was back when Cofidis were going as hard as anyone.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/2004/feb04/med04/med045

Full results but no splits. Interesting comments by Riis on why they did so well!

Not bad by Grischa "stopped doping in 2002" Niermann either. Rabo must have been fast.

 

[elduggo]

Jens Voigt retires today

good riddance to him

 

[Benotti69]

Jens Voigt retires today

good riddance to him

Let us hope he goes and does not return to broadcasting.

Yes good riddance.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Everybody's favorite, happy doper (who gets a pass because he once said "shut up legs") is retired.

I kind of long for the days of nice, happy dopers instead of Mod, sideburned, or girlfriend wielding Skelator look-alikes with the personality of Melba Toast.

 

[The Hitch]

Everybody's favorite, happy doper (who gets a pass because he once said "shut up legs") is retired.

This.

10 characters.

 

[laurel1969]

Everybody's favorite, happy doper (who gets a pass because he once said "shut up legs") is retired.

A little harsh. No better or worse than hundreds of riders who have retired (or not) in the last two decades without so much as a raised eyebrow.

I kind of long for the days of nice, happy dopers instead of Mod, sideburned, or girlfriend wielding Skelator look-alikes with the personality of Melba Toast.

 

[will10]

this, how good was it!?

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=214

Not as good as Paris-Nice that year!

 

[red_flanders]

Everybody's favorite, happy doper (who gets a pass because he once said "shut up legs") is retired.

He's everyone's favorite because he exudes optimism and positive energy, he attacks all the time and he conveys in word and deed a love for the sport and a willingness to suffer for himself and others.

In so many ways he's all the things we'd like to be as a rider and would hope to emulate. We all wish more riders rode and spoke about cycling the way he does.

And yeah, he's almost certainly doped. But to sum his totality up in the way you did is such a narrow, snarky view. I don't care for it.

 

[blackcat]

lol why get so emotional about it. It's not labeling someone a "cheat" it's not "throwing someone under a bus"... doping is "normal", people who do it are not bad people by default (although maybe they are in your judgmental world where being a ***** is also bad). If I say I think someone is a doper it's with no judgment passed on their human qualities, it's just an interpretation of observations, the name is irrelevant. Why do you have to be so antagonistic towards people who are just doing their job and trying to look after themselves. So many lives RUINED by athletes who ignore the WADA Code, such evil!

will plagiarise,

great post

 

[Red Rick]

Lol, how did i end up here

 

[Red Rick]

Wuyts: "I think Froome's not froome froome enough"

 

[sniper]

may have been posted here somewhere before, but just in case.
http://blogs.bicycling.com/blogs/hardlyserious/turbulent-times

Voigt, what an all-time looser.

I also read an article recently by Bradley McGee and how he said that he had to race against doped riders in the Tour in his best years of his career. I can only agree. I mean, fortunately I still managed to get three stage wins, but who knows what else I would have achieved if everybody would have been clean! A 10-time Tour de France stage winner sounds a lot better to me than three-time winner. But to be honest, I don’t want to contemplate such things for too long because it only makes me bitter. It poisons my soul.

Now this one is funny:

Again, I do believe cycling has become better. I don’t see any traces of team-organized doping or doping networks anymore. You can probably never stop people from making wrong choices, but, honestly, our sport is better and cleaner than it was ever before. This is something I am totally convinced of.


Dispicable considering his claim he never saw any doping before either.

Now, I know that I have been accused of being naïve, and some people want to say, “Jens, how could you not know?” It’s true that I sometimes suspected some riders of doping. However—and this is important—I never saw anything firsthand. So I couldn’t call anybody out, and I wasn’t about to focus my energy on something that was not clear. Like I said, it only poisons the soul.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Jens should have taken glasses as a junior, maybe he would have seen something.

Love the guy, he is so oldskool.

 

[hrotha]

He doesn't see any traces of organized doping now, but he claims to never have seen it in the 90s and 00s either... He says he only became aware when the Festina case blew up. A prime example of why "things are better now" is completely meaningless without admitting where things stood before that.

As hopefully everybody knows, the Australians have very strict rules against doping

Lol

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Excellent job application.

Should be plenty pro teams who will hire him as coach, DS or whatever.

 

[Michele]

He doesn't see any traces of organized doping now, but he claims to never have seen it in the 90s and 00s either... He says he only became aware when the Festina case blew up. A prime example of why "things are better now" is completely meaningless without admitting where things stood before that.

Lol

Hey mate

 

[hrotha]

Little known O'Grady fact: those ain't freckles, those are needle marks.

 

[doperhopper]

may have been posted here somewhere before, but just in case.
http://blogs.bicycling.com/blogs/hardlyserious/turbulent-times

Voigt, what an all-time looser.


Now this one is funny:
Dispicable considering his claim he never saw any doping before either.

well, he even praises Riis for "innovative" methods like survival camps and 400km TT training rides - marginal style... what can one say, probably even riding blind and deaf would not be enough not to notice anything, but he clearly needs job in cycling to feed 6 kids, that's why this "I'm your omerta guy" self-promotion

 

[blackcat]

Brändle breaks Voigt's hour record

so will shut up legs come back to break Brändle's hour record?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brandle-breaks-voigts-hour-record

I can see quite a few guys taking this down. Phinney and Cancellara will be eyeing it off. Wiggins should be able to get out about 54 if he really wants to set a time. Phinney has potential. But Cancellara would have to master track souplesse, I can see Wiggins and Cancellara being even with Wiggins having the track history and souplesse.

Maybe Phinney could put a standard wayyyy out there that wont be contested for a time, if he was to do it in a few years after concentrating on chronos like Spartacus did.