Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[GuntherL1]

Let's stop talking about the POG here, it's the wrong thread.

Back on point, dope or not, I am seriously amazed at the recovery of the VINGO. The dude is certainly a mutant

especially if he keeps this up for 3 weeks... I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

 

[topt]

Compare hist pre-UAE results with junior results of Evenepoel, Pidcock and Van der Poel and you might recognize real talent.

you dont know *** how cyclist develop do you; you know when Pog was 10 he was below average, my kid was beating him in every race until about 2 years later,so i guess he started doping really early; stick to things you know

 

[fenns]

seen some suggestions that with the lung injury JV might have devleoped asthma. ominous for the rest of the field...

 

[AmRacer]

seen some suggestions that with the lung injury JV might have devleoped asthma. ominous for the rest of the field...

When training, I got asthma (difficult to breath) when pushing too hard.

 

[fenns]

When training, I got asthma (difficult to breath) when pushing too hard.

there's medication that can help with this

 

[topt]

where are russian hackers when you need them, would love to se his TUE list

 

[GuntherL1]

you dont know *** how cyclist develop do you; you know when Pog was 10 he was below average, my kid was beating him in every race until about 2 years later,so i guess he started doping really early; stick to things you know

Thank you for your kindness and politeness. I do know that the former Saunier Duval management that manages the ever clean Pogi, also managed cyclists like Ricco, Piepoli, Cobo and Menchov that were caught and suspended.
I'm sure Mauro Gianetti saw God, changed his mind and decided to play fair after Pogi signed with him.

 

[Ripper]

seen some suggestions that with the lung injury JV might have devleoped asthma. ominous for the rest of the field...

TUE for 100 times the normal amount of salbutamol incoming.

 

[fenns]

JV not far off his best I would say. Capable of mutating further as the race progresses

 

[Froome]

JV not far off his best I would say. Capable of mutating further as the race progresses

He is still a bit far from his best, but this is still a miracle after what happened.

 

[ElDesordenado]

He is still a bit far from his best, but this is still a miracle after what happened.

Vingegaard said after today's stage (loosely translated from Danish): "We were expecting that at this point in the race I could be up to two minutes behind, so I'm not sad that I lost time - but a little frustrated that I couldn't hang on completely".

Makes me curious what Visma has planned for the ITTs and week 3 if they really believe he can win the race

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard said after today's stage (loosely translated from Danish): "We were expecting that at this point in the race I could be up to two minutes behind, so I'm not sad that I lost time - but a little frustrated that I couldn't hang on completely".

Makes me curious what Visma has planned for the ITTs and week 3 if they really believe he can win the race

Visma and Vingegaard have a plan. They didn’t come to the Tour to see how it goes. They don’t work like that.

Another Tour starts on col du Tourmalet.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Visma and Vingegaard have a plan. They didn’t come to the Tour to see how it goes. They don’t work like that.

Another Tour starts on col du Tourmalet.

I don't believe they have a plan. Vingegaard was going to win this Tour with one leg if Pogacar wasn't racing. For that reason, they are unsure about Vingegaard's shape. They know Vingegaard has w/kg enough to beat everyone bar Pogacar. I still think he is a mutant and a hell of a rider and fighter. Truly remarkable what he has done so far. I hope he improves to give a fight against UAE and Pogacar. He is the only one capable of beating Pogacar.

 

[Froome]

I don't believe they have a plan. Vingegaard was going to win this Tour with one leg if Pogacar wasn't racing. For that reason, they are unsure about Vingegaard's shape. They know Vingegaard has w/kg enough to beat everyone bar Pogacar. I still think he is a mutant and a hell of a rider and fighter. Truly remarkable what he has done so far. I hope he improves to give a fight against UAE and Pogacar. He is the only one capable of beating Pogacar.

They always have a plan. If it will work or not, let's see.

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San luca and Galibier were all about explosiveness in the last meters of the climbs the gaps weren't that high to Vingegaard and Remco.

Emirates and Pogacar prepared this stage very well, just like in San luca. They are using for they're advantage the biggest weapon of Pogacar:explosiveness in the last meters of a climb.

The final week will be another Tour where explosiveness will not matter, but the high sustained tempo will matter, plus the fatigue.

Besides that, there's room for improvement to Vingegaard and even Remco who can be a surprise in this race and being not that far from them . Vingegaard had worse injuries, but the two of them were off the bike some weeks, so they didn’t lost much time when they're not in peak shape.

If the curve of shape of Vingegaard is upwards until the final week which i believe it will happen looking at his phisiology, i am very confident on him.

 

[James M]

Everyone has a plan. Moviestar has a plan aswell I just fail to see what they can do if Pogacar is close to full strenght. Noone else has the w/kg and they cant even stay on his wheel on long climbs for more than 600meter without blowing up. The best part of anyones plan is to hope Pogacar gets seriously fatigued from the Giro then its game on.

 

[Peyroteo94]

They always have a plan. If it will work or not, let's see.

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San luca and Galibier were all about explosiveness in the last meters of the climbs the gaps weren't that high to Vingegaard and Remco.

Emirates and Pogacar prepared this stage very well, just like in San luca. They are using for they're advantage the biggest weapon of Pogacar:explosiveness in the last meters of a climb.

The final week will be another Tour where explosiveness will not matter, but the high sustained tempo will matter, plus the fatigue.

Besides that, there's room for improvement to Vingegaard and even Remco who can be a surprise in this race and being not that far from them . Vingegaard had worse injuries, but the two of them were off the bike some weeks, so they didn’t lost much time when they're not in peak shape.

If the curve of shape of Vingegaard is upwards until the final week which i believe it will happen looking at his phisiology, i am very confident on him.

But Pogacar was clearly better than Vingegaard. He was way fresher at the finish and this is the type of climb Pogacar can't drop Vingegaard and vice versa. If we didn't have a headwind, Pogacar woulda gain more than 30 seconds on Galibier (he would attacked with 3 km to the top).
Vingegaard needs to improve a lot if he wants to drop Pogacar.

 

[Froome]

But Pogacar was clearly better than Vingegaard. He was way fresher at the finish and this is the type of climb Pogacar can't drop Vingegaard and vice versa. If we didn't have a headwind, Pogacar woulda gain more than 30 seconds on Galibier (he would attacked with 3 km to the top).
Vingegaard needs to improve a lot if he wants to drop Pogacar.

Not necessarily, it could had happened like on Joux Plane. The small gap on top of Galibier was all about explosiveness like on Puy de dome and Grand Colombier.
Explosiveness is very different of a constant high tempo.
He needs to improve, but he is very close to Pogacar without being at 100% yet.

 

[hrotha]

Everyone has a plan. Moviestar has a plan aswell

"Comer, beber y a rueda"

 

[snipeheem]

Not necessarily, it could had happened like on Joux Plane. The small gap on top of Galibier was all about explosiveness like on Puy de dome and Grand Colombier.
Explosiveness is very different of a constant high tempo.
He needs to improve, but he is very close to Pogacar without being at 100% yet.

U just want to believe it. Jonas was dead at the end while Pogi was looking fresh

 

[topcat]

U just want to believe it. Jonas was dead at the end while Pogi was looking fresh

Yes, but I still wouldn't rule out a Vingo comeback in week 3.

 

[Rackham]

Not necessarily, it could had happened like on Joux Plane. The small gap on top of Galibier was all about explosiveness like on Puy de dome and Grand Colombier.
Explosiveness is very different of a constant high tempo.
He needs to improve, but he is very close to Pogacar without being at 100% yet.

This is true.

Vingegaard didn't seem much different on Galibier compared to Puy-de-Dôme last year, for example. But the time difference was achieved on the descent. As much as some people seem pretty determined to declare this Tour 'over', I reiterate anyone of the top 8 riders yesterday can win, depending on variable race scenarios.

With regards Vingegaard, there's no way we can rule out a Combloux style watts bomb in the third week.

By & large I was curious to see whether others have caught-up a little &... I do believe they have. I know some people also seem to flat out refuse to see this but Pog didn't bury the Tour yesterday.

 

[Ripper]

This is true.

Vingegaard didn't seem much different on Galibier compared to Puy-de-Dôme last year, for example. But the time difference was achieved on the descent. As much as some people seem pretty determined to declare this Tour 'over', I reiterate anyone of the top 8 riders yesterday can win, depending on variable race scenarios.

With regards Vingegaard, there's no way we can rule out a Combloux style watts bomb in the third week.

By & large I was curious to see whether others have caught-up a little &... I do believe they have. I know some people also seem to flat out refuse to see this but Pog didn't bury the Tour yesterday.

People tend to see what they want to see. The Tour was definitely not made out of reach yesterday. As was already noted, UAE planned this well in advance to take advantage of Todd's capabilities. Explosive jump to gain enough seconds at the top, and then an extremely well practice descent at warp speed. Also, when in the first week of a GT has Todd ever looked tired after the stage?

The time trial will be interesting. Will people be close or will there be some sort of bizarre extraterrestrial event like last year, but with the roles reversed a bit

 

[Froome]

People tend to see what they want to see. The Tour was definitely not made out of reach yesterday. As was already noted, UAE planned this well in advance to take advantage of Todd's capabilities. Explosive jump to gain enough seconds at the top, and then an extremely well practice descent at warp speed. Also, when in the first week of a GT has Todd ever looked tired after the stage?

The time trial will be interesting. Will people be close or will there be some sort of bizarre extraterrestrial event like last year, but with the roles reversed a bit

What happened was the real plan of Pogacar and Emirates again, just like in San luca, and also just like what he did last year in the Tour in almost every climb.
He is turning into a mountain sprinter against Vingegaard, waiting for the last 1/2 km to take advantage of his explosiveness and get a small gap, and this tatics have even more chances of sucess since Vingegaard is not at 100% yet.

Cambasque, Grand colombier, Puy de dome, San luca, Galibier. When he attacked from far, and needed to sustain a high tempo, he could not made differences.

This is not a depreciation against Pogacar and Emirates, it's the opposite. They are being smart and showing that they studied very well what they should do in the stages, to get the advantage and use Pogacar best weapon. Everybody should race the way it suits better to win a race.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

People tend to see what they want to see. The Tour was definitely not made out of reach yesterday. As was already noted, UAE planned this well in advance to take advantage of Todd's capabilities. Explosive jump to gain enough seconds at the top, and then an extremely well practice descent at warp speed. Also, when in the first week of a GT has Todd ever looked tired after the stage?

The time trial will be interesting. Will people be close or will there be some sort of bizarre extraterrestrial event like last year, but with the roles reversed a bit

Pog needs to gain time over Vingo in the first time trial (I mean a few dozens of seconds) and at the same time stay close to Remco. I feel that both Pog and Remco will have stellar TTs. The race is long: JV's obvious plan is to limit losses early on and attack later but their problem could be that Vingo isn't as well prepared as normally.

 

[Ripper]

What happened was the real plan of Pogacar and Emirates again, just like in San luca, and also just like what he did last year in the Tour in almost every climb.
He is turning into a mountain sprinter against Vingegaard, waiting for the last 1/2 km to take advantage of his explosiveness and get a small gap, and this tatics have even more chances if sucess since Vingegaard is not at 100% yet.

Cambasque, Grand colombier, Puy de dome, San luca, Galibier. When he attacked from far, and needed to sustain a high tempo, he could not made differences.

This is not a depreciation against Pogacar and Emirates, it's the opposite. They are being smart and showing that they studied very well what they should do in the stages, to get the advantage and use Pogacar best weapon. Everybody should race the way it suits better to win a race.

Absolutely. And Todd is obviously in a state of extremely good form/flow right now ... it would be a mistake not to exploit every moment possible to the maximum. While there is much UAE bluster about peaking in the third week, which could perhaps be true, there is also much uncertainty about how Todd actually will be doing in the third week compared to the rest.