Jonas Vingegaard: Godzilla, the King of Monsters

[Krzysztof_O]

People tend to see what they want to see. The Tour was definitely not made out of reach yesterday. As was already noted, UAE planned this well in advance to take advantage of Todd's capabilities. Explosive jump to gain enough seconds at the top, and then an extremely well practice descent at warp speed. Also, when in the first week of a GT has Todd ever looked tired after the stage?

The time trial will be interesting. Will people be close or will there be some sort of bizarre extraterrestrial event like last year, but with the roles reversed a bit

Pog needs to gain time over Vingo in the first time trial (I mean a few dozens of seconds) and at the same time stay close to Remco. I feel that both Pog and Remco will have stellar TTs. The race is long: JV's obvious plan is to limit losses early on and attack later but their problem could be that Vingo isn't as well prepared as normally.

 

[Ripper]

What happened was the real plan of Pogacar and Emirates again, just like in San luca, and also just like what he did last year in the Tour in almost every climb.
He is turning into a mountain sprinter against Vingegaard, waiting for the last 1/2 km to take advantage of his explosiveness and get a small gap, and this tatics have even more chances if sucess since Vingegaard is not at 100% yet.

Cambasque, Grand colombier, Puy de dome, San luca, Galibier. When he attacked from far, and needed to sustain a high tempo, he could not made differences.

This is not a depreciation against Pogacar and Emirates, it's the opposite. They are being smart and showing that they studied very well what they should do in the stages, to get the advantage and use Pogacar best weapon. Everybody should race the way it suits better to win a race.

Absolutely. And Todd is obviously in a state of extremely good form/flow right now ... it would be a mistake not to exploit every moment possible to the maximum. While there is much UAE bluster about peaking in the third week, which could perhaps be true, there is also much uncertainty about how Todd actually will be doing in the third week compared to the rest.

 

[Ripper]

Pog needs to gain time over Vingo in the first time trial (I mean a few dozens of seconds) and at the same time stay close to Remco. I feel that both Pog and Remco will have stellar TTs. The race is long: JV's obvious plan is to limit losses early on and attack later but their problem could be that Vingo isn't as well prepared as normally.

Yup. Visma clearly hope Vigo gets stronger and races himself into better fitness as the race progresses. UAE clearly hope that Todd maintains or at minimum loses very little form over the course of 3 weeks.

Of course, this is all guess work and who knows what the hell is really going on

 

[Cookster15]

If the curve of shape of Vingegaard is upwards until the final week which i believe it will happen looking at his phisiology, i am very confident on him.

I think this only applies to a well prepared Vingo no matter what his physiology.

How much training did he actually miss? It was certainly more than Pog’s wrist injury which saw him collapse on Loze last year (stage 17).

And Pogacar is more than just explosiveness else he wouldn’t have beaten Vingegaard by 5 minutes in 2021 nor won the 2020 Tour on stage 20.

 

[Nick2413]

I think this only applies to a well prepared Vingo no matter what his physiology.

How much training did he actually miss? It was certainly more than Pog’s wrist injury which saw him collapse on Loze last year (stage 17).

And Pogacar is more than just explosiveness else he wouldn’t have beaten Vingegaard by 5 minutes in 2021 nor won the 2020 Tour on stage 20.

I don’t think the wrist injury caused his collapse, just as the same happened to a lesser degree in 2022 with no injury. I agree about Vingegaard though.

 

[velaso montador]

People tend to see what they want to see. The Tour was definitely not made out of reach yesterday. As was already noted, UAE planned this well in advance to take advantage of Todd's capabilities. Explosive jump to gain enough seconds at the top, and then an extremely well practice descent at warp speed. Also, when in the first week of a GT has Todd ever looked tired after the stage?

The time trial will be interesting. Will people be close

Everyone has a plan. Moviestar has a plan aswell I just fail to see what they can do if Pogacar is close to full strenght. Noone else has the w/kg and they cant even stay on his wheel on long climbs for more than 600meter without blowing up. The best part of anyones plan is to hope Pogacar gets seriously fatigued from the Giro then its game on.

Wow reflective with perspective and objective love that.

Love when people dont just tell and see what they wanne see and leave out the rest they dont wanne acount for, thats a flaw.

 

[fenns]

there seems to be many underestimating our hero. Pog powering away just before the summit is nothing new - had he tried it 3k out I believe after the initial burst JV would have got back up to him.

the TT will be telling - if JV matches Pog or beats him it spells troubke for the Slovenian

JV is pretty much at his best - if he wasn't he would not have been able to drop the rest of the field

how he's managed to do this with his claimed preparation raises many questions

and there's no point invoking 2020/2021 JV - this is a different beast

 

[SHAD0W93]

there seems to be many underestimating our hero. Pog powering away just before the summit is nothing new - had he tried it 3k out I believe after the initial burst JV would have got back up to him.

Vingegaard was 1-3 seconds behind after getting dropped in the turns and lost more time on the straighter road till the top. Pogacar was pulling away and if he had attacked from further out Vinge looks like he would have cracked.

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard was 1-3 seconds behind after getting dropped in the turns and lost more time on the straighter road till the top. Pogacar was pulling away and if he had attacked from further out Vinge looks like he would have cracked.

Not necessarily, he even said today in a interview that if he had Jorgenson there, he would like that he could increase the pace during the climb, to minimize the explosiveness of Pogacar in the end.

He also said that he worked more in endurance in the last month and half.

 

[fenns]

Vingegaard was 1-3 seconds behind after getting dropped in the turns and lost more time on the straighter road till the top. Pogacar was pulling away and if he had attacked from further out Vinge looks like he would have cracked.

we've seen pog drop JV briefly before on a climb - then the Dane has caught him and ridden away. I think Pogacar is conscious of this so he attacked late purely to get the time bonus at the summit and the finish.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Not necessarily, he even said today in a interview that if he had Jorgenson there, he would like that he could increase even the pace during the climb, to minimize the explosiveness of Pogacar in the end.

Only time Jorgenson could have upped the pace was when Ayuso was hiding in the back, unless they think Jorgenson can be that much stronger than Almeida and Ayuso. Vingegaard was losing time on the straight away and looked dead at the top, then cracked even further on the downhill.

we've seen pog drop JV briefly before on a climb - then the Dane has caught him and ridden away. I think Pogacar is conscious of this so he attacked late purely to get the time bonus at the summit and the finish.

But he didn’t start gaining time after his explosiveness gained time. They were on a straightaway and Vingegaard started dropping the seconds. Pogacar was grinding away.

 

[Froome]

Only time Jorgenson could have upped the pace was when Ayuso was hiding in the back, unless they think Jorgenson can be that much stronger than Almeida and Ayuso. Vingegaard was losing time on the straight away and looked dead at the top, then cracked even further on the downhill.


But he didn’t start gaining time after his explosiveness gained time. They were on a straightaway and Vingegaard started dropping the seconds. Pogacar was grinding away.

That's the part where Kuss is missing, to do that.

 

[Froome]

U just want to believe it. Jonas was dead at the end while Pogi was looking fresh

Mate, trust me, Vingegaard will win the Tour again, he is just still warming up the engine for the third week, after the injuries he had.

In the end of the Tour in Nice, Vingegaard will say something like this in the podium, after winning the Tour:"The last thing I'll say for the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles".

It will be epic.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Mate, trust me, Vingegaard will win the Tour again, he is just is still warming up the engine for the third week, after the injuries he had.

In the end of the Tour in Nice, Vingegaard will say something like this in the podium, after winning the Tour:"The last thing I'll say for the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles".

It will be epic.

Would be an epic Trollegaard moment.

 

[Cookster15]

and there's no point invoking 2020/2021 JV - this is a different beast

It was being suggested about Jonas’s physiology. Physiology is genetic so absolutely his 2021 performance is valid.

Anyway it’s way too early to draw any conclusions either way. The TT will tell us more but even then we don’t know how either rider will respond in the 3rd week which is when any sub optimal preparation or Giro fatigue will likely show.

 

[Ripper]

Wow reflective with perspective and objective love that.

Love when people dont just tell and see what they wanne see and leave out the rest they dont wanne acount for, thats a flaw.

What's your point?

 

[fenns]

if he can come out of the TT with a minute+ lead Pog has a chance cos he can just follow JV without wasting energy on attacks

by the third week JV will have fully mutated

his TUE list must look like an inventory for Walmarts Pharmacy

 

[Ripper]

if he can come out of the TT with a minute+ lead Pog has a chance cos he can just follow JV without wasting energy on attacks

by the third week JV will have fully mutated

his TUE list must look like an inventory for Walmarts Pharmacy

If he comes out of the TT with only a bit more of a lead, I might have more belief in the sport. My gut tells me he's going to obliterate people.

I wonder when the press will start asking the occasional doping question.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

if he can come out of the TT with a minute+ lead Pog has a chance cos he can just follow JV without wasting energy on attacks

by the third week JV will have fully mutated

his TUE list must look like an inventory for Walmarts Pharmacy

Obviously the more buffer Teddy can build the better. Who knows what will happen in the 3rd week. Maybe Vingo will crack (due to insufficient preparation) or maybe...Grischa will tell the password activating the monster!

 

[Netserk]

Obviously the more buffer Teddy can build the better. Who knows what will happen in the 3rd week. Maybe Vingo will crack (due to insufficient preparation) or maybe...Grischa will tell the password activating the monster!

You know what happens to The Fish when Pogenheimer drops two nukes. Godzilla acquires atomic breath!

This will be the Tour this year:

 

[ElDesordenado]

You know what happens to The Fish when Pogenheimer drops two nukes. Godzilla acquires atomic breath!

Vingegaard says he hasn't had a chance to ride Friday's ITT route because of the injury - he's only seen it on video. So he probably won't be racing as daringly and aggressively as in last year's alien time trial performance.

On the other hand, he also said last year before the Vuelta that he hadn't studied the route at all because of holidays and hadn't had time to do any altitude training, yet he finished second in the GC while holding back for the sake of Kuss ...

So I would still expect a strong performance in the first TdF time trial, perhaps a little off Pogacar and Evenepoel, and then, if he does win the TdF this year, it will be due to a leap in performance in the final week

 

[SHAD0W93]

Vingegaard says he hasn't had a chance to ride Friday's ITT route because of the injury - he's only seen it on video. So he probably won't be racing as daringly and aggressively as in last year's alien time trial performance.

On the other hand, he also said last year before the Vuelta that he hadn't studied the route at all because of holidays and hadn't had time to do any altitude training, yet he finished second in the GC while holding back for the sake of Kuss ...

So I would still expect a strong performance in the first TdF time trial, perhaps a little off Pogacar and Evenepoel, and then, if he does win the TdF this year, it will be due to a leap in performance in the final week

2003 Ullrich imcoming

 

[Netserk]

Vingegaard says he hasn't had a chance to ride Friday's ITT route because of the injury - he's only seen it on video. So he probably won't be racing as daringly and aggressively as in last year's alien time trial performance.

On the other hand, he also said last year before the Vuelta that he hadn't studied the route at all because of holidays and hadn't had time to do any altitude training, yet he finished second in the GC while holding back for the sake of Kuss ...

So I would still expect a strong performance in the first TdF time trial, perhaps a little off Pogacar and Evenepoel, and then, if he does win the TdF this year, it will be due to a leap in performance in the final week

Yeah, he will do poorly tomorrow as Pogi drops the second nuke, but gain the same in the last ITT as what he loses here. Did you see my clip? Godzilla's regeneration is out of this world.

 

[ElDesordenado]

Apparently, Remco has done today's route 5-6 times in preparation. Imagine if Vingegaard beats him nonetheless ...

Sounds like he's expecting some loss of time to both Pogacar and Remco though

 

[Rob5091]

Last year we had the TT for the ages by Vingegaard (no time for back flips in the pool, it was TT recon & scraping paint of the bike instead)
.Will Visma risk going full nuclear? With a few days until the next big mountain test I think they'll go for it, so I've got my Oppenheimer googles and lead lined longjohns at the ready.