Jonas Vingegaard: Godzilla, the King of Monsters

[Salvarani]

No wonder VLAB were full of trash-talk in week one - they had something special cooked up for today. Unfortunately for them, UAE came with something stronger…

Yeah, they banked on today and then likely next week. Take some more time back and win it in the TT. Claim superior recovery.

 

[ashhutch1997]

I'd laugh my ass off if Vingegaard did a Landis in the final week.

 

[nightowl]

Yeah, they banked on today and then likely next week. Take some more time back and win it in the TT. Claim superior recovery.

Yup, today was meant to be another Granon, they’ve been laying the foundations for it for 2 weeks.

Edit: Yesterday was probably meant to be a classic lose the sprint to Pogi so I’m sure they were a little worried for today, but they still seemed confident enough to go for it. Pogi sitting in like it was a Sunday coffee ride must’ve been a nightmare for them when Vingegaard went.

 

[fenns]

JV said today was one of his best performances ever - never in doubt really

 

[Nick2413]

In interviews he was adamant this was his best ever day on a bike. Everything about this performance, from both him and Pogacar, and even Remco, is comical. And shouldn’t they be a bit hesitant to say stuff like that with the crash and ICU stay so recent?

 

[ElDesordenado]

Think about the fact about Vingegaard´s crash and how he did a micracle recovery and now think about that he would have beaten Armstrong... depiste that injury recovery so short before the tour..
Now think about Pog also taking 5 minuttes on Armstrong.

Something is not rotten in Denmark, something is rotten in Cycling and I fear there always will be.. but why not atleast have more contenders, atleast that would make most people forget all the silly and obvious stuff going on..

I agree. It's crazy that Vingegaard - according to what he's said himself - is able to pull off one of his best performances ever given the preparation he's had for this Tour.

Pogacar looked relaxed on the bike, which is mind-blowing given the power he produced. And, as I've written before, I think Evenepoel's performance again today makes him look like a new rider. It's not the same guy who bonked in the Vuelta last year, and it's not the guy who couldn't follow Jorgenson and Rodriguez in Dauphine just a month ago.

It's like we have two level 2.0 or 3.0 extra-terrestrials (Pog, who seems to be heading for victory, and Vinge, who's up there despite being hospitalized in April) and one level 1.0 extra-terrestrial (Evenepoel, who's riding his first TdF). And then there's everyone else.

 

[Rackham]

I'd laugh my ass off if Vingegaard did a Landis in the final week.

I'd cheer for that!

I mean why not? The more ridiculous, the better. There are no limits anymore.

 

[BoobiesAndBloodBags]

Pray for Pantani

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Pray for Pantani

I‘m sure that will save him

 

[ashhutch1997]

Pray for Pantani

I'm really surprised the times from 2004 aren't high, as they went full gas from the bottom. Where's 2007 there were periods of slowing up and looking at eachover.

 

[ElDesordenado]

Vingegaard: "Yesterday was my all time best performance - by a large margin"

Will now try to improve even further - and take more risk in the remaining Tour ...

Vingegaard føler sig strandet – er klar til at satse alt

Selvom Jonas Vingegaard nu er mere end tre minutter efter Tadej Pogacar i klassementet, giver han ikke op.

sport.tv2.dk

 

[Coffeeplanter]

JV said today was one of his best performances ever - never in doubt really

It was his best, and it is unprecedented. Do I need to remind you that Combloux, the greatest time trial ever ridden, was only a year ago? Despite supposed career or even life threatening injuries he has somehow found another level, insane.

People love to make comparisons with the good ol' days from the 90s and 00s, how the sport has evolved professionally in regards to material, training and nutrition, and to some extend that is true, but it does not explain how someone on an IC bed somehow gained even more %s in less than a year.

These dudes must be huffing more than Snoop.

 

[houtdffan]

I'm really surprised the times from 2004 aren't high, as they went full gas from the bottom. Where's 2007 there were periods of slowing up and looking at eachover.

they only did 2 climbs before in 2007 (though one was Port de Pailheres...)

 

[Ruklaw]

I think the worst thing about the stage yesterday is that it killed off any notion of Visma or Jonas being tactically good racers.

I mean seriously, you towed your direct rival for 5km up a mountain - why? - did it not occur to them to knock it back when they didn't shift Pog?

He'd shown himself stronger than you the day before. Did they really think that much could change overnight?

They should have been managing losses, containing gaps, and looking forward to the watt bombs they no doubt have planned for next Friday (when the race hits 2800m altitude) - that is when they should be attacking Pog - when it really is do or die.

A week out and they spend all their energy setting up Pog for another stage win and another minute of time gain.

Reminded me of a few years back when Ineos would line up on the mountain stages thinking they were still top dogs, only to have a giant cyclocross rider burn them all off his wheel.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I think the worst thing about the stage yesterday is that it killed off any notion of Visma or Jonas being tactically good racers.

I mean seriously, you towed your direct rival for 5km up a mountain - why? - did it not occur to them to knock it back when they didn't shift Pog?

He'd shown himself stronger than you the day before. Did they really think that much could change overnight?

They should have been managing losses, containing gaps, and looking forward to the watt bombs they no doubt have planned for next Friday (when the race hits 2800m altitude) - that is when they should be attacking Pog - when it really is do or die.

A week out and they spend all their energy setting up Pog for another stage win and another minute of time gain.

Reminded me of a few years back when Ineos would line up on the mountain stages thinking they were still top dogs, only to have a giant cyclocross rider burn them all off his wheel.

In hindsight that would be the best strategy, but I think what they did was alright. Had to try on a day like this and it couldnt have been done any differently tbh. Kuss would have helped a bit, but the result would still be similar.

Now they just need to take 1 min more on Bonette and Isola I guess, but you had to try. Bonette will for sure be the place to launch it all

 

[ontheroad]

I think the worst thing about the stage yesterday is that it killed off any notion of Visma or Jonas being tactically good racers.

I mean seriously, you towed your direct rival for 5km up a mountain - why? - did it not occur to them to knock it back when they didn't shift Pog?

He'd shown himself stronger than you the day before. Did they really think that much could change overnight?

They should have been managing losses, containing gaps, and looking forward to the watt bombs they no doubt have planned for next Friday (when the race hits 2800m altitude) - that is when they should be attacking Pog - when it really is do or die.

A week out and they spend all their energy setting up Pog for another stage win and another minute of time gain.

Reminded me of a few years back when Ineos would line up on the mountain stages thinking they were still top dogs, only to have a giant cyclocross rider burn them all off his wheel.

If they don't win the Tour it will have had nothing to do with tactics. It very rarely is, as it normally comes down to pure wattages over a 3 week race. They came ultra prepared for this stage in a performance which Vingegaard himself described as his best ever. It was a 'show us what you've got' day from Jumbo to UAE and they discovered that UAE have simply raised the stakes even further. Take Pogacar out of the race and Jumbo have decimated the rest of the field and the narrative would be that it was a miracle performance especially given that he was lying on a hospital bed in ICU only a few months ago. Everything went according to plan but it just got overshadowed by an even greater mutant display.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I think the worst thing about the stage yesterday is that it killed off any notion of Visma or Jonas being tactically good racers.

I mean seriously, you towed your direct rival for 5km up a mountain - why? - did it not occur to them to knock it back when they didn't shift Pog?

He'd shown himself stronger than you the day before. Did they really think that much could change overnight?

They should have been managing losses, containing gaps, and looking forward to the watt bombs they no doubt have planned for next Friday (when the race hits 2800m altitude) - that is when they should be attacking Pog - when it really is do or die.

A week out and they spend all their energy setting up Pog for another stage win and another minute of time gain.

Reminded me of a few years back when Ineos would line up on the mountain stages thinking they were still top dogs, only to have a giant cyclocross rider burn them all off his wheel.

I don't think they had much choice after they had decided to go for it. Vingegaard can't match Pogačar's accelerations (at least not at the moment), so stopping for a bit and then trying to attack him again or simply waiting for Pog to make his move weren't likely to work either. If they looked at the numbers and saw that he was doing very well, I don't think you can blame them for thinking the pace could eventually hurt Pogačar either. They did get rid of Remco, although having him be closer to Pogačar in GC could also have had its possible advantages.

 

[Savant12]

Maybe, he has 3 lungs and with one weakened, he became sort of human-ish.

 

[ElDesordenado]

If they don't win the Tour it will have had nothing to do with tactics. It very rarely is, as it normally comes down to pure wattages over a 3 week race. They came ultra prepared for this stage in a performance which Vingegaard himself described as his best ever. It was a 'show us what you've got' day from Jumbo to UAE and they discovered that UAE have simply raised the stakes even further. Take Pogacar out of the race and Jumbo have decimated the rest of the field and the narrative would be that it was a miracle performance especially given that he was lying on a hospital bed in ICU only a few months ago. Everything went according to plan but it just got overshadowed by an even greater mutant display.

Exactly. I think this was "the plan" Vingegaard had referred to all along: At some point in the latter part of the race bring some crazy w/kg and crush the opposition. Worked out great except their main rival had done even more - probably because he knew what to expect after last year including the alien level ITT.

 

[houtdffan]

'I will not simply accept this result' – Vingegaard vows to battle for Tour de France yellow jersey until Nice

'A lot can still happen. I will never crack mentally. I'll keep fighting with everything I have'

www.cyclingnews.com

we may be upping the ante from antimatter bombs to full on wormhole imploders at this rate

Alien #2 has laid down the challenge. What will Aliens 1 (Pog) and 3 (Remco) do to respond?

 

[DenisMenchov]

I have to say I always thought about Visma having the biggest role in his mutant performance. But only this year I see that Vingegaard himself has that all in mentality. On one hand it's truly remarkable how much effort and I guess pain he can endure, on the other hand it's scary to think what he's actually doing to his body and how far he can take it in this arms race.

 

[zlev11]

yeah i dont think this race is over. 3 minutes is nothing, i have a feeling this thread is gonna get some serious use this week.

 

[AmRacer]

yeah i dont think this race is over. 3 minutes is nothing, i have a feeling this thread is gonna get some serious use this week.

Get ready for an 80 km attack.

 

[zlev11]

Get ready for an 80 km attack.

the base of the Bonette is about 80k to go...

 

[ashhutch1997]

the base of the Bonette is about 80k to go...

Just ashame its not stage 17, then it'd be written in the stars.