Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[snipeheem]

No, becouse they are much better in numbers than bahamontes and he climbed better than Pogacar. ITT to Puy de dome is for me better than Pogacar at Plateau de Bielle.
Does that means Bahamontes with the same training and food than Pogacar since 10 years old and the same bikes, etc...the same life than Pogacar would be better today? We dont know...maybe no, or maybe yes

But as far as I know the real wattios is what you push at the pedal and that is not public. the rest depends on the wind and the quality of the bike.

So u believe that bahamontes is a goat climber ?

 

[Tim Cahill]

So u believe that bahamontes is a goat climber ?

Puy de Dome (12,5 km@7,7%):

1959: 36:15 Bahamontes
2023: 38:00 Woods (Stage WInner)

Before anyone tries to tell me it was a tt, Bahamontes was riding on on a 20kg bike fuelled by cocaine and leeches he'd purchased that morning from the local apothecary.

 

[snipeheem]

Puy de Dome (12,5 km@7,7%):

1959: 36:15 Bahamontes
2023: 38:00 Woods (Stage WInner)

Before anyone tries to tell me it was a tt, Bahamontes was riding on on a 20kg bike fuelled by cocaine and leeches he'd purchased that morning from the local apothecary.

What about Charly Gaul on ventoux? This might be same level or even better

 

[Taxus4a]

Puy de Dome (12,5 km@7,7%):

1959: 36:15 Bahamontes
2023: 38:00 Woods (Stage WInner)

Before anyone tries to tell me it was a tt, Bahamontes was riding on on a 20kg bike fuelled by cocaine and leeches he'd purchased that morning from the local apothecary.

He climbed in another plane to the rest of his era, including of course Anquetil. Just Gaul was close, but days like this one are really impresive.

About bikes:

It is in spanish but you are going to understand everything with the gface of that boys and the smiles of the big Federico, the cyclist who inspired Merkx to be profesional.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oDzizUVD1g

The last Bahamontes said is: the young people today get drown in a glass of water , haha

 

[ElDesordenado]

Vingegaard looked tired today. Judging by what we're seeing right now, I'd be very surprised if he sets the race on fire on the final three stages. Seems a little broken. But we'll see on Friday.

Also, first time I've seen Evenepoel take time on Vingegaard on a climb. If he keeps this up, I think he could - eventually - be a real contender for winning the TdF.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Puy de Dome (12,5 km@7,7%):

1959: 36:15 Bahamontes
2023: 38:00 Woods (Stage WInner)

Before anyone tries to tell me it was a tt, Bahamontes was riding on on a 20kg bike fuelled by cocaine and leeches he'd purchased that morning from the local apothecary.

Leeches, wtf?!
Sounds like medieval medicine, still believing in Galen's theories...

 

[Ripper]

Puy de Dome (12,5 km@7,7%):

1959: 36:15 Bahamontes
2023: 38:00 Woods (Stage WInner)

Before anyone tries to tell me it was a tt, Bahamontes was riding on on a 20kg bike fuelled by cocaine and leeches he'd purchased that morning from the local apothecary.

Well, coke might just be a little performance enhancing.

I wonder if leeches helped him keep the weight down! 😆😆😆

 

[Netserk]

Vingegaard looked tired today. Judging by what we're seeing right now, I'd be very surprised if he sets the race on fire on the final three stages. Seems a little broken. But we'll see on Friday.

Also, first time I've seen Evenepoel take time on Vingegaard on a climb. If he keeps this up, I think he could - eventually - be a real contender for winning the TdF.

I think it was just a case of going over his limits in closing the gap to Pogi in the 20 seconds after the attack. Had he responded with a steady pace for 2 minutes until the top, he would have looked a lot better.

 

[SHAD0W93]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ppWS0IQB8dI?si=OU2fgtNFej3428Kp


Tomorrow and the TT are going to be insane from Visma and Vingegaard. Will Pogacar continue to one up their crazy.

 

[ElDesordenado]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ppWS0IQB8dI?si=OU2fgtNFej3428Kp


Tomorrow and the TT are going to be insane from Visma and Vingegaard. Will Pogacar continue to one up their crazy.

According to Danish TV2, Vingegaard wasn't available for the interview after the stage today because he skipped the cool down and went straight to the bus. This was attributed to Vingegaard feeling tired and hot after the stage: https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2024-07-18-derfor-stillede-vingegaard-ikke-op-til-interview

I think it's really hard to predict. On the one hand, I think Vingegaard looks tired. On the other hand, I wouldn't be super surprised if he did something crazy tomorrow. He's kept saying he believes he can improve even further during the race despite the bad preparation he's had

 

[TrekCyclist]

Even if he is really tired now- it should not come as a surprise to anyone. Some commentators seem to have forgotten almost, what happened in April and thereafter (ICU, only 6 weeks proper training, etc. - we all know it). What he showed so far is much more than anyone could have expected. I think he is happy what he showed so far, including the stage win. If he can pull something off tomorrow or Saturday, it would just be a bonus on top.

 

[Froome]

According to Danish TV2, Vingegaard wasn't available for the interview after the stage today because he skipped the cool down and went straight to the bus. This was attributed to Vingegaard feeling tired and hot after the stage: https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2024-07-18-derfor-stillede-vingegaard-ikke-op-til-interview

I think it's really hard to predict. On the one hand, I think Vingegaard looks tired. On the other hand, I wouldn't be super surprised if he did something crazy tomorrow. He's kept saying he believes he can improve even further during the race despite the bad preparation he's had

He is sick or they will put some refuel on him before tomorrow.

 

[SHAD0W93]

He is sick or they will put some refuel on him before tomorrow.

Is he actually sick?

 

[Froome]

Is he actually sick?

If he wasn't on the rollers or didn’t any interview, there just can be the two options i talked.

Being tired does not prevent him of doing a interview or being in the rollers. The rollers help to recover.

 

[ElDesordenado]

Even if he is really tired now- it should not come as a surprise to anyone. Some commentators seem to have forgotten almost, what happened in April and thereafter (ICU, only 6 weeks proper training, etc. - we all know it). What he showed so far is much more than anyone could have expected. I think he is happy what he showed so far, including the stage win. If he can pull something off tomorrow or Saturday, it would just be a bonus on top.

I think Vingegaard came here to try and win the race. He did really well in the first half of the race, limiting the gap that many people (including, seemingly, Visma) had been expecting would be substantial. Then he tried to make the same move he's made the other years to take the yellow jersey: crushing tempo on a long climb deep into the race. But it backfired because Pogacar's level was even crazier. He seemed surprised - and gutted - that it didn't yield the result he had hoped for (and maybe expected).

Personally, I can't believe he's able to be in 2nd at this point in the race with what he's been through - far beyond everyone except Pogacar and Evenepoel. But I don't think he's happy with that. He wanted to win.

 

[Froome]

I think Vingegaard came here to try and win the race. He did really well in the first half of the race, limiting the gap that many people (including, seemingly, Visma) had been expecting would be substantial. Then he tried to make the same move he's made the other years to take the yellow jersey: crushing tempo on a long climb deep into the race. But it backfired because Pogacar's level was even crazier. He seemed surprised - and gutted - that it didn't yield the result he had hoped for (and maybe expected).

Personally, I can't believe he's able to be in 2nd at this point in the race with what he's been through - far beyond everyone except Pogacar and Evenepoel. But I don't think he's happy with that. He wanted to win.

Visma was surpassed by UAE, not just on the new "fuel" (it's not that BS of new coach and new nutrition). but also in the equipment. Let's the take the example of TT setup of Visma, who is trash compared with the equipment of Visma.

Visma team for the Tour also suffered a lot of setbacks. Kruijswijk, Van baarle, Kuss out, Van aert far from his best shape.


Those factors combined with the crash in April explain everything that has been happening.

The good news is that these issues can be resolved.

Tomorrow is all about give everything with no regrets, going full gas on La bonette and see where it takes.

 

[Monoxidator]

Visma was surpassed by UAE, not just on the new "fuel" (it's not that BS of new coach and new nutrition). but also in the equipment. Let's the take the example of TT setup of Visma, who is trash compared with the equipment of Visma.

Visma team for the Tour also suffered a lot of setbacks. Kruijswijk, Van baarle, Kuss out, Van aert far from his best shape.


Those factors combined with the crash in April explain everything that has been happening.

The good news is that these issues can be resolved.

Tomorrow is all about give everything with no regrets, going full gas on La bonette and see where it takes.

7.2 Watts / Kg tomorrow for 36 minutes.

 

[Froome]

7.2 Watts / Kg tomorrow for 36 minutes.

I think La bonette is 1 hour.

 

[Monoxidator]

I think La bonette is 1 hour.

Not tomorrow!

 

[Nick2413]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ppWS0IQB8dI?si=OU2fgtNFej3428Kp


Tomorrow and the TT are going to be insane from Visma and Vingegaard. Will Pogacar continue to one up their crazy.

We know what kind of “risks” he’s talking about was that interview after today’s stage or yesterday?

 

[SHAD0W93]

We know what kind of “risks” he’s talking about was that interview after today’s stage or yesterday?

Stage 17 but don’t know if before or after the stage.

 

[Cookster15]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ppWS0IQB8dI?si=OU2fgtNFej3428Kp


Tomorrow and the TT are going to be insane from Visma and Vingegaard. Will Pogacar continue to one up their crazy.

He sounds rather reserved. Like hoping for the best but if not he will still be happy considering what he has been through. Best sign is he sounds relaxed. So whatever Vingo does on this epic stage it will be the best he (and Visma) has. Is that enough, we will see. But I tend to disagree about the TT. I think Vingo might be struggling by then. Remco is stalking.

 

[ElDesordenado]

He sounds rather reserved. Like hoping for the best but if not he will still be happy considering what he has been through. Best sign is he sounds relaxed. So whatever Vingo does on this epic stage it will be the best he (and Visma) has. Is that enough, we will see. But I tend to disagree about the TT. I think Vingo might be struggling by then. Remco is stalking.

Yeah, I think a lot depends on today (stage 19). If he manages to pull off a miracle, that'll be a huge mental boost. But if he struggles again today, it could break him mentally before the final two stages. Visma have said that"if he finishes 3rd or 4th in the GC as a result of having reached for yellow, that's the way it is". So they seem to be playing with the idea of some all out attack that may turn out costly. Last year, the TT was decisive, but this year I think today's stage is the one that'll settle things. Pog has a chance to effectively end the battle for yellow; Vinge has what'll probably be a last chance to turn things around; Evenepoel could - with a good result today - eventually move to 2nd in the GC if Vinge cracks.

 

[saganftw]

for a two time TDF winner there is very little difference between 2nd or 3rd overall, so i dont think evenpoel is even a factor here, well see pretty early whats the plan but if they keep everything slow untill last climb thats half the battle lost already, they need to take advantage of hot weather and endurance climbing which should both favour them, if none of that happens they are throwing in the towel

 

[ElDesordenado]

for a two time TDF winner there is very little difference between 2nd or 3rd overall, so i dont think evenpoel is even a factor here, well see pretty early whats the plan but if they keep everything slow untill last climb thats half the battle lost already, they need to take advantage of hot weather and endurance climbing which should both favour them, if none of that happens they are throwing in the towel

Sure. But from Evenepoel's perspective, it'd be a big thing if he were to take 2nd place in the GC.