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Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

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What do you guys think - is there a genuine chance that Vingegaard will turn this around and win the Tour? Sunday was clearly part of the "plan", and it worked well except Pogacar produced an even crazier performance. Vingegaard now speculates that maybe he can improve even further, and he says he's willing to race with more risk ...
I think there is still a sizable chance. They’re dealing with monstrous amounts of time akin to high stakes poker players. A single bad day could cost 5 minutes for either of them.
 
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Because we have to chase him... Because he's the hero the Clinic deserves... but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a dark knight.

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Thought this was Skip Bayless or Steve Jobs.
 
Actually though, why would he confirm those w/kg numbers so openly? Even knowing people won’t ask questions, it seems a bit odd. His best day ever on a bike a few months out of the ICU and 2nd best performance in cycling history… wouldn’t the team be giving orders to keep that of all things confidential?
Because claiming that your cooperation partners at Lanterne Rouge can‘t do physics would be more laughable?
 
Because claiming that your cooperation partners at Lanterne Rouge can‘t do physics would be more laughable?
And there is no downside in the current context.

In a sense the irony of w/kg is that Ferrari et al utilised it to determine what you need to win (so higher was better) then critics briefly utilised it to assess the plausibility of performances (implication: higher wins but don't go too high). Now the numbers are Instagrammable badges of honour, so once again higher is better.
 
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I am not sure Landa is better than ever...maybe he is getting his best numbers, but he had very good performances in the past and maybe just with the bikes yopu have the explanations, more altitude camps in his case, and things like that. I know he is used this years to the new methods of nutrition and other things...but anyway they did similar at his previous team.
Isn't best numbers and times the definition of better than ever?
 
Actually though, why would he confirm those w/kg numbers so openly? Even knowing people won’t ask questions, it seems a bit odd. His best day ever on a bike a few months out of the ICU and 2nd best performance in cycling history… wouldn’t the team be giving orders to keep that of all things confidential?
I guess to try to put pressure on Pogacar who beat him with his best numbers. But agree, doesn't really work when you have been in ICU 2 months ago.
 
The incredible story of Vingegaard: from the worst rider in the peloton five years ago (in Ruta del Sol) to the best TT and second best climbing performance in TdF history!


A story of hope, dreams, and love ❤️❤️❤️
If it's true that he had a fever, as it says in the article, it's not strange that he did badly.

But yeah, it's funny how much it can mean to change teams. ;)
 
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Isn't best numbers and times the definition of better than ever?
No, becouse they are much better in numbers than bahamontes and he climbed better than Pogacar. ITT to Puy de dome is for me better than Pogacar at Plateau de Bielle.
Does that means Bahamontes with the same training and food than Pogacar since 10 years old and the same bikes, etc...the same life than Pogacar would be better today? We dont know...maybe no, or maybe yes

But as far as I know the real wattios is what you push at the pedal and that is not public. the rest depends on the wind and the quality of the bike.
 
No, becouse they are much better in numbers than bahamontes and he climbed better than Pogacar. ITT to Puy de dome is for me better than Pogacar at Plateau de Bielle.
Does that means Bahamontes with the same training and food than Pogacar since 10 years old and the same bikes, etc...the same life than Pogacar would be better today? We dont know...maybe no, or maybe yes

But as far as I know the real wattios is what you push at the pedal and that is not public. the rest depends on the wind and the quality of the bike.
So u believe that bahamontes is a goat climber ?
 
Puy de Dome (12,5 km@7,7%):

1959: 36:15 Bahamontes
2023: 38:00 Woods (Stage WInner)

Before anyone tries to tell me it was a tt, Bahamontes was riding on on a 20kg bike fuelled by cocaine and leeches he'd purchased that morning from the local apothecary.
He climbed in another plane to the rest of his era, including of course Anquetil. Just Gaul was close, but days like this one are really impresive.

About bikes:

It is in spanish but you are going to understand everything with the gface of that boys and the smiles of the big Federico, the cyclist who inspired Merkx to be profesional.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oDzizUVD1g

The last Bahamontes said is: the young people today get drown in a glass of water , haha
 
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Vingegaard looked tired today. Judging by what we're seeing right now, I'd be very surprised if he sets the race on fire on the final three stages. Seems a little broken. But we'll see on Friday.

Also, first time I've seen Evenepoel take time on Vingegaard on a climb. If he keeps this up, I think he could - eventually - be a real contender for winning the TdF.
 
Puy de Dome (12,5 km@7,7%):

1959: 36:15 Bahamontes
2023: 38:00 Woods (Stage WInner)

Before anyone tries to tell me it was a tt, Bahamontes was riding on on a 20kg bike fuelled by cocaine and leeches he'd purchased that morning from the local apothecary.
Well, coke might just be a little performance enhancing.

I wonder if leeches helped him keep the weight down! 😆😆😆
 
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Vingegaard looked tired today. Judging by what we're seeing right now, I'd be very surprised if he sets the race on fire on the final three stages. Seems a little broken. But we'll see on Friday.

Also, first time I've seen Evenepoel take time on Vingegaard on a climb. If he keeps this up, I think he could - eventually - be a real contender for winning the TdF.
I think it was just a case of going over his limits in closing the gap to Pogi in the 20 seconds after the attack. Had he responded with a steady pace for 2 minutes until the top, he would have looked a lot better.
 
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View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ppWS0IQB8dI?si=OU2fgtNFej3428Kp


Tomorrow and the TT are going to be insane from Visma and Vingegaard. Will Pogacar continue to one up their crazy.
According to Danish TV2, Vingegaard wasn't available for the interview after the stage today because he skipped the cool down and went straight to the bus. This was attributed to Vingegaard feeling tired and hot after the stage: https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2024-07-18-derfor-stillede-vingegaard-ikke-op-til-interview

I think it's really hard to predict. On the one hand, I think Vingegaard looks tired. On the other hand, I wouldn't be super surprised if he did something crazy tomorrow. He's kept saying he believes he can improve even further during the race despite the bad preparation he's had
 
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Even if he is really tired now- it should not come as a surprise to anyone. Some commentators seem to have forgotten almost, what happened in April and thereafter (ICU, only 6 weeks proper training, etc. - we all know it). What he showed so far is much more than anyone could have expected. I think he is happy what he showed so far, including the stage win. If he can pull something off tomorrow or Saturday, it would just be a bonus on top.
 
According to Danish TV2, Vingegaard wasn't available for the interview after the stage today because he skipped the cool down and went straight to the bus. This was attributed to Vingegaard feeling tired and hot after the stage: https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2024-07-18-derfor-stillede-vingegaard-ikke-op-til-interview

I think it's really hard to predict. On the one hand, I think Vingegaard looks tired. On the other hand, I wouldn't be super surprised if he did something crazy tomorrow. He's kept saying he believes he can improve even further during the race despite the bad preparation he's had
He is sick or they will put some refuel on him before tomorrow.
 
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