What do you guys think - is there a genuine chance that Vingegaard will turn this around and win the Tour? Sunday was clearly part of the "plan", and it worked well except Pogacar produced an even crazier performance. Vingegaard now speculates that maybe he can improve even further, and he says he's willing to race with more risk ...
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Who knows what Vingo and Visma are preparing for the weekend? He showed superb level on Sunday so I'm definitely not writing him off. Obviously Pogacar is superior now but status quo is never guaranteed in a long stage race. Everyone can have a weaker day.
This is far from over....even if i had and will have in the future mixed feelings about what is happening, especially since sunday.
I dont believe the title of this thread, he is a really good rider, but Pogacar, him and other riders can rech some technology, or science or however you can call it, maybe legal, than other riders no.
For most of riders a crash as Vingegaard has at basque country is for sure bye bye to le Tour.
As Hinault said hif he can fight for Tour I dont understand anything.
But for me is amazing than Van Aert had a crash no so hard, more time to recover, rode a race in Norway at a good level and now He is well at the Tour, 2 time second is not bad as he is not a pure sprinter, but far of that rider that impressed us attacking with the yellow, winning at Ventoux, etc...
But Vingegaard didnt have any race, less time to train, lot of time stopeed and he get his best level ever acording to his words at the second week of le Tour.
it is possible some of that it is becouse an impressive physiology, a super determination, etc,..but people as him as Pogacar has some science or something behind better tahn other riders. Other way is difficult to understand.
I am not critizing, at least no so far, if this is this way...it is just some question and things I want to know and make an opinion once I have an answer.
For most of riders a crash as Vingegaard has at basque country is for sure bye bye to le Tour.
As Hinault said hif he can fight for Tour I dont understand anything.
But for me is amazing than Van Aert had a crash no so hard, more time to recover, rode a race in Norway at a good level and now He is well at the Tour, 2 time second is not bad as he is not a pure sprinter, but far of that rider that impressed us attacking with the yellow, winning at Ventoux, etc...
But Vingegaard didnt have any race, less time to train, lot of time stopeed and he get his best level ever acording to his words at the second week of le Tour.
it is possible some of that it is becouse an impressive physiology, a super determination, etc,..but people as him as Pogacar has some science or something behind better tahn other riders. Other way is difficult to understand.
I am not critizing, at least no so far, if this is this way...it is just some question and things I want to know and make an opinion once I have an answer.
I am not sure Landa is better than ever...maybe he is getting his best numbers, but he had very good performances in the past and maybe just with the bikes yopu have the explanations, more altitude camps in his case, and things like that. I know he is used this years to the new methods of nutrition and other things...but anyway they did similar at his previous team.
Does blood boosting only work for a short period of time? Isn't that the reason in the past they would have to go from training on EPO to using blood bags half way through because they wouldn't be able to continue doping during the actual tour?
They starting using transfusions again around 2000 because a test had been developed for EPO, and it was too risky to inject that during competition.
As I have understood it, injected EPO becomes undetectable rather quickly though - within four (?) hours or so if I remember correctly. So I suppose there's a calculated risk involved - how likely is it that anti-doping will show up while the drug is detectable? I imagine altitude camps in remote places might play a role in that.
Interesting. The WADA rules say they cannot draw blood within 2 hours of racing or training.
Talking about the strategy of Visma, going full gas and keep the pressure everyday until Nice. Just stick to plan and see where it takes, the gap can increase but at the same time it can disappear very quickly. La bonette is the place to go all in and see where it takes.
Let's hope his legs continue to improve like happened in the last 2 weeks.
Let's hope his legs continue to improve like happened in the last 2 weeks.
Take what I wrote with a grain of salt - not sure about the four hour thing. Hamilton wrote a lot about the "glow time" - when the drug could be detected - in his book.Interesting. The WADA rules say they cannot draw blood within 2 hours of racing or training.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Visma gave the whole team whatever they gave Vingegaard last year during the second rest day. Things could get even crazier.
Well, they will have to put all of them inhale even more monoxide carbon from the control room Van, because the juice of Emirates is better at the moment, and the juice is not Javier sola.
In the Armstrong interview with Peter Attia, LA says EPO was exclusively used teamwide during the 99 Tour since there wasn't a test for EPO developed yet. However, starting with the 2000 Tour, Postal used blood transfusions in the Tour reinfusing one bag each on the two rest days. The only obstacle he says was to navigate under the 50% Hct limit.
Operation Aderlass was primarily involving transfusions. Athletes would infuse the morning of the race/event & immediately following the competition, withdrawal that same amount of blood that was originally infused. This was the strategy used to circumvent the ABP. Unlike the use of EPO, upon infusing the blood there would be an immediate increase in Hct/Hgb & a significant decline in RET% - which would normally be a red flag on the ABP.
Hondo & Petacchi were involved in Operation Aderlass & neither one tripped their ABP. Hondo even had a codename of "James Bond" labeled on his stored blood bags. Lol
Hondo tells Aderlass trial he doped with Petacchi
German used codename of 'James Bond' for blood doping in 2012
www.cyclingnews.com
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Who knows if it’s even just the carbon monoxide plus mystery juice. Pogacar, Vingegaard, and Evenepoel all looked to be at their best on stage 15 and I bet 19 and 21 are circled as well.
I think there is still a sizable chance. They’re dealing with monstrous amounts of time akin to high stakes poker players. A single bad day could cost 5 minutes for either of them.
Actually though, why would he confirm those w/kg numbers so openly? Even knowing people won’t ask questions, it seems a bit odd. His best day ever on a bike a few months out of the ICU and 2nd best performance in cycling history… wouldn’t the team be giving orders to keep that of all things confidential?
Thought this was Skip Bayless or Steve Jobs.Because we have to chase him... Because he's the hero the Clinic deserves... but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a dark knight.
Because claiming that your cooperation partners at Lanterne Rouge can‘t do physics would be more laughable?
And there is no downside in the current context.
In a sense the irony of w/kg is that Ferrari et al utilised it to determine what you need to win (so higher was better) then critics briefly utilised it to assess the plausibility of performances (implication: higher wins but don't go too high). Now the numbers are Instagrammable badges of honour, so once again higher is better.
I guess to try to put pressure on Pogacar who beat him with his best numbers. But agree, doesn't really work when you have been in ICU 2 months ago.
The incredible story of Vingegaard: from the worst rider in the peloton five years ago (in Ruta del Sol) to the best TT and second best climbing performance in TdF history!
www.bt.dk
A story of hope, dreams, and love ❤️❤️❤️
Vingegaard fik feber af stress: ‘Han var den dårligste i feltet’
Det var en anden Jonas Vingegaard …
www.bt.dk
A story of hope, dreams, and love ❤️❤️❤️
If it's true that he had a fever, as it says in the article, it's not strange that he did badly.The incredible story of Vingegaard: from the worst rider in the peloton five years ago (in Ruta del Sol) to the best TT and second best climbing performance in TdF history!
Vingegaard fik feber af stress: ‘Han var den dårligste i feltet’
Det var en anden Jonas Vingegaard …
A story of hope, dreams, and love ❤️❤️❤️
But yeah, it's funny how much it can mean to change teams.
Yes. According to the article, he was so nervous he got fever. Once he managed to handle these issues and started training properly, the unique physiological potential was released ...If it's true that he had a fever, as it says in the article, it's not strange that he did badly.
But yeah, it's funny how much it can mean to change teams.
No, becouse they are much better in numbers than bahamontes and he climbed better than Pogacar. ITT to Puy de dome is for me better than Pogacar at Plateau de Bielle.
Does that means Bahamontes with the same training and food than Pogacar since 10 years old and the same bikes, etc...the same life than Pogacar would be better today? We dont know...maybe no, or maybe yes
But as far as I know the real wattios is what you push at the pedal and that is not public. the rest depends on the wind and the quality of the bike.
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