Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

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Netserk

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Krzysztof_O said:
There is only one sensible explanation for this: a new copy was activated in May. If he wins this Tour if will be 100% confirmed.
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For another week:
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Mr. 64%

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ElDesordenado said:
Definitely. I think a lot of people feel they can relate to him as a kind family man who is dedicated to his wife and daughter. In Visma's social media they also put content with kids and wives.

Riis and Rasmussen were more like weird recluses. Apart from throwing his TT bike, Riis became famous for his "I've never tested positive" quote when asked directly about doping in a prime time news program - and for cheating on his wife with a handball player.

A classic from the archive (Riis interview, 1998): "Do I look like a junkie?"
View: https://youtu.be/vAiy3Sl5fkE?si=8k5Zg5YjZDKuTker
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Absolute classic interview. One of the all time greatest quotes of Danish cycling: "Everybody's standing on needles" :tearsofjoy:
 
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Netserk said:
I made a thread for that once, my vote went to Lance winning* the Tour after his cancer.

Who overcame the greatest career setback?

Please not only vote, but also inform, discuss and rank the different setbacks.
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But Lance won the Tour with one ball, Vingegaard will win the Tour without balls.

So, Vingegaard is a better comeback.

(It was just a joke, i hope nobody feels uncomfortable).
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Gaining 7.5 minutes in 2 stages is equal to giving no chances to his rivals! This is not Coppi era, when Il Campionissimo could gain 20 minutes when rivals had puncture.
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Yeah , but you have to keep things in perspective. Pogy had some real bad days (wrong bag/day after?) where he was just sitting on his teammates wheels looking terrible. He was probably telling them to slow down too.

Ditto for another comment I read about Vingo saying something along the lines of being surprised it was so easy to drop Pog. That one line sounds arrogant. But the context was the interviewer telling him how bad Pogs day was. Then Vingo said, yes was surprised how easy it was to drop him. Acknowledging something was off with Pog that day. (English is also a 2nd language, I don't know much about Danish, but not all languages are as polite as English) What was he supposed to say? Or do? I should have dropped back and rode with him had I known he was on a bad day?

Not saying their not both on the high octane juice.

What I want to know is why the Slavs, Primoz and Tad, both seem to have some real bad days? Maybe if they rode more calculated instead of attacking when they don't have to they'd have less of them?
 
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Apolitical said:
Ditto for another comment I read about Vingo saying something along the lines of being surprised it was so easy to drop Pog. That one line sounds arrogant. But the context was the interviewer telling him how bad Pogs day was. Then Vingo said, yes was surprised how easy it was to drop him. Acknowledging something was off with Pog that day. (English is also a 2nd language, I don't know much about Danish, but not all languages are as polite as English) What was he supposed to say? Or do? I should have dropped back and rode with him had I known he was on a bad day?
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I don't know if it was an arrogant comment, but I think it said something about the absurdity of Vingegaard's level last year - dropping the so-called once in a century rider with ease. To put that in perspective, I recall Bardet saying during the Giro this year that he felt he was on the verge of fainting while trying to hold on to UAE.
 
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awavey said:
Eurosport posted an interesting chat with Vismas bike mechanic from yesterday, all the Visma TT bikes had yellow decoration on them, except for Jonas' bike, which was all black, basically pure carbon.

this was apparently to save weight for Jonas, even though the mechanic kind of admitted Jonas is the lightest of the riders anyway.

which seems fair enough they do this in other sports like F1. however they do it in F1 because they shift the weight they save to more useful areas and shift centre of gravity to gain performance, because in a world where your car, or your bike must meet a minimum weight limit, just saving a few grams of weight with paint actually isnt that beneficial.

and if they were that bothered about watt saving theyd send him on TT camp so he could learn some proper technique for once
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We already found out last year that Vingegaard has zero paint on his bike, a diet that consists of 0 fiber and stool softeners, and doesn’t drink at all. Plus the power of love.
 
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I don't know if it was an arrogant comment, but I think it said something about the absurdity of Vingegaard's level last year - dropping the so-called once in a century rider with ease. To put that in perspective, I recall Bardet saying during the Giro this year that he felt he was on the verge of fainting while trying to hold on to UAE.
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Why didn't you quote the whole post? The part where Pogy (and Primoz) seem to have really bad days. And, how much of that is the attack at all cost mentality catching up with them over 3 weeks?

I keep seeing people are fixated on the 7 minutes Vingo was ahead of Pogy after stage 17. It was less than 2 minutes after 16. On 17 Pogy came in 22nd riding on Soler's wheel. Soler slowed down to pace Pogy. Then go look at the list of riders who finished better than him. In fact two of Pogy's teammates put 4" minutes on him that day, only about a 1.5 minutes less than Vingo.

I've personally always thought Vingo is better, and more consistent in the big mountains where being punchy isn't as important.

I still question Pogy's tactics this year. Look at stage 9. If I look at the group he was riding in I have no idea why he kept attacking. That's just stupid riding. He may be a once in a century rider, but eventually you pay for those efforts. Vingo was tactically perfect. He used teammates and was thinking the long game.
 
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Apolitical said:
I still question Pogy's tactics this year. Look at stage 9. If I look at the group he was riding in I have no idea why he kept attacking. That's just stupid riding. He may be a once in a century rider, but eventually you pay for those efforts. Vingo was tactically perfect. He used teammates and was thinking the long game.
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I agree with you on this. Racing like that was one of the reasons Pogacar lost in '22, and I'm not sure either if he's learned. Maybe he likes to ride more on intuition, or maybe his management just isn't as tactically smart as Vingegaard. Having said that, I do also find Vingegaard's way of racing - the wheel sucking with two added mountain obliterations and a super human time trial - extremely tedious apart from being wise and calculated. As Pogacar said the other day (quoted from memory): "Even if I went and sat at the back of the peloton, Vingegaard would follow me there". I don't question that Vingegaard has a right to play to his own strengths, but personally, I find it very robotic - as if Vingegaard were some satellite sent out from ther new 'control room'.

Regarding the time gap last year: Obviously, as you point to, there are many factors. Tactical errors, Pogacar's crash in Liege etc. But at the end of the day, however conservatively Vingegaard rides in the first two weeks, he needed high enough power numbers to obliterate everyone in that stage 16 TT (without suffering from any fatigue afterwards). And having watched the TdF for almost 30 years now - including all the superheroes and superteams who have come and gone during that time - I just don't find that credible at all, in the same way that his initial 2020-21 transformation strikes me as miraculous. Which is why I'm in The Clinic section of this forum.
 
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