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Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

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Pogacar / UAE are probably extremely grateful, Vingegaard is around. Just imagine, without Vingegaard - Pogacar would have won all TdF since 2020 with absurd margins and countless stages. Would probably put them under much more pressure to justify this kind of performance, and would be extremely difficult....
 
Pogacar / UAE are probably extremely grateful, Vingegaard is around. Just imagine, without Vingegaard - Pogacar would have won all TdF since 2020 with absurd margins and countless stages. Would probably put them under much more pressure to justify this kind of performance, and would be extremely difficult....
The live radio call moment of him dropping on Loze gave so many a fake ass sense of relatability
 
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Had to be something real strong they must have given him to go from absolutely nowhere. From a fishing factory they just pulled this guy from. Unbelievable.

Then what they must have given him to be able to rise from the hospital to perform like he did in the Tour?! His best level ever?! Like cmon. Cant be healthy at all.

Just insane. Most ridiculous and doped cyclist of all time.
100% truth , no one is even close to him when it comes to doping
 
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Jonas certainly takes stuff he shouldn't give his daughter, and I suspect he wouldn't either. I don't spend too much time thinking about him at the moment. Because he's not racing, and he hasn't dominated a race since Tirreno... I'll pop into this thread once O Gran Camino rolls around, okay?
 
I have just posted this in the Pogacar clinic thread: same applies here.

people here are discussing the intricacies of human performance, the arms race, and the communicating vessels of cycling's doping industry, rather than flailing their arms around while they shout "oh yeah? well your guy is worse" "no he's not!" "is too!" at the top of their lungs
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And, in full, the clinic specific supplement to the rules
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  • Discussion or speculation of professional cyclist use of performance enhancers or banned substances should include supporting evidence.
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  • Remember that the subject of speculation and discussion on this matter are human beings deserving of respect and dignity.
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which I take as do not make accusations against each other here.


I would like to see what Hrotha descries as discussion of "the intricacies of human performance, the arms race, and the communicating vessels of cycling's doping industry", I'm sure most would. To enable and declutter that, I shall be taking a no-nonsense application of the rules above in regard to those who, again to quote Hrotha, prefer "flailing their arms around while they shout "oh yeah? well your guy is worse" "no he's not!" "is too!""

If you believe that you could be thought to be in that latter group, consider yourselves warned.
 
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I have just posted this in the Pogacar clinic thread: same applies here.


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Thankfully, there is some of what you describe first. There is also a desperate amount of the other, meaning that attempts at sensible discussion are in danger of being drowned out.

A reminder of a selection from forum rules, stickied at the top of this section:

And, in full, the clinic specific supplement to the rules

  • Discussion or speculation of professional cyclist use of performance enhancers or banned substances should include supporting evidence.
  • Users are required to provide evidence when challenged, as well as engaging with arguments counter to the assertion with substantive facts and references.
Technically isn’t it impossible to speculate at all without breaking these 2, since there is no proven evidence?
 
In view of the third bullet point in the clinic specific rules, I have changed the title of this thread.
What is disrespectful about calling him Godzilla (who is the king of monsters) in the clinic? Talk of mutants is common parlance here (and has been for over a decade: https://www.chronoswatts.com/img/mag/notnormal.pdf), and if anything comparing him to the most badass and strongest manga creature was respectfully meant as praise. Godzilla is awesome.

In any case, I hate the dull clutter of appending "clinic thread" to the title.
 
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What is disrespectful about calling him Godzilla (who is the king of monsters) in the clinic? Talk of mutants is common parlance here (and has been for over a decade: https://www.chronoswatts.com/img/mag/notnormal.pdf), and if anything comparing him to the most badass and strongest manga creature was respectfully meant as praise. Godzilla is awesome.

In any case, I hate the dull clutter of appending "clinic thread" to the title.
Per the rule I quoted, that is not treating someone as deserving of respect and dignity. But I 'm happy to go with what you have put in since.
 
I don't think they are that behind in "dirty games" but it's hard to perform at the highest level when your top riders crash hard. Visma-LAB were very unlucky this year but 2nd at the Tour feels like a miracle considering the circumstances.
I don't think Visma is far from UAE, but they clearly got surpassed this year. Nevertheless, like i said, they close the gap, probably they will have resources for that.

It's not like Visma is Movistar, and the gap is super big for UAE, but clearly UAE was the one this year, in terms of doping programm.

Plugge and Niermann will do everything they can, they hate to lose, if they can, they will go as dirty as the UAE guys.

It's difficult to understand how the autorities will manage this, normalizing 7 w/kg during 40 min/1 hour, beating all the records.
 
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I don't think Visma is far from UAE, but they clearly got surpassed this year. Nevertheless, like i said, they close the gap, probably they will have resources for that.

It's not like Visma is Movistar, and the gap is super big for UAE, but clearly UAE was the one this year, in terms of doping programm.

Plugge and Niermann will do everything they can, they hate to lose, if they can, they will go as dirty as the UAE guys.

It's difficult to understand how the autorities will manage this, normalizing 7 w/kg during 40/1 hour, beating all the records.

I don't doubt the fearsome Skeletor will produce ridiculous numbers. He was very strong this year already despite hampered preparations. Tour 2025 will be the ultimate clash of the mutants. The authorities will just enjoy the show marveling at accelerated human evolution.
 
I don't doubt the fearsome Skeletor will produce ridiculous numbers. He was very strong this year already despite hampered preparations. Tour 2025 will be the ultimate clash of the mutants. The authorities will just enjoy the show marveling at accelerated human evolution.
He can improve way more, it was like a "miracle" some perfomances he did after what happened in April.

Next year will be ridiculous without bad luck.
 
I don't think Visma is far from UAE, but they clearly got surpassed this year. Nevertheless, like i said, they close the gap, probably they will have resources for that.

Plugge and Niermann will do everything they can, they hate to lose, if they can, they will go as dirty as the UAE guys.
I don’t think Red Bull bought a team to just play dead, we’ll start seeing some supernatural activity there soon and it won’t just be Roglic.
 
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