Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[Froome]

Rabobank will cook something big for him next year. The dirty game will be improved.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Rabobank will cook something big for him next year. The dirty game will be improved.

I don't think they are that behind in "dirty games" but it's hard to perform at the highest level when your top riders crash hard. Visma-LAB were very unlucky this year but 2nd at the Tour feels like a miracle considering the circumstances.

 

[AmRacer]

Fish?

 

[Froome]

I don't think they are that behind in "dirty games" but it's hard to perform at the highest level when your top riders crash hard. Visma-LAB were very unlucky this year but 2nd at the Tour feels like a miracle considering the circumstances.

I don't think Visma is far from UAE, but they clearly got surpassed this year. Nevertheless, like i said, they close the gap, probably they will have resources for that.

It's not like Visma is Movistar, and the gap is super big for UAE, but clearly UAE was the one this year, in terms of doping programm.

Plugge and Niermann will do everything they can, they hate to lose, if they can, they will go as dirty as the UAE guys.

It's difficult to understand how the autorities will manage this, normalizing 7 w/kg during 40 min/1 hour, beating all the records.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I don't think Visma is far from UAE, but they clearly got surpassed this year. Nevertheless, like i said, they close the gap, probably they will have resources for that.

It's not like Visma is Movistar, and the gap is super big for UAE, but clearly UAE was the one this year, in terms of doping programm.

Plugge and Niermann will do everything they can, they hate to lose, if they can, they will go as dirty as the UAE guys.

It's difficult to understand how the autorities will manage this, normalizing 7 w/kg during 40/1 hour, beating all the records.

I don't doubt the fearsome Skeletor will produce ridiculous numbers. He was very strong this year already despite hampered preparations. Tour 2025 will be the ultimate clash of the mutants. The authorities will just enjoy the show marveling at accelerated human evolution.

 

[Froome]

I don't doubt the fearsome Skeletor will produce ridiculous numbers. He was very strong this year already despite hampered preparations. Tour 2025 will be the ultimate clash of the mutants. The authorities will just enjoy the show marveling at accelerated human evolution.

He can improve way more, it was like a "miracle" some perfomances he did after what happened in April.

Next year will be ridiculous without bad luck.

 

[pastronef]

He can improve way more, it was like a "miracle" some perfomances he did after what happened in April.

Next year will be ridiculous without bad luck.

yes, if Pog and Ving come 100% at the TDF and race conditions allow for a big dualism we might go into the Delorean speeds

 

[E_F_]

yes, if Pog and Ving come 100% at the TDF and race conditions allow for a big dualism we might go into the Delorean speeds

Well in that case 88 mph would make for some really fast times...

 

[Krzysztof_O]

BTW as for the thread title: "Vingegaard: Something is fishy" would be much more fitting!

 

[Netserk]

BTW as for the thread title: "Vingegaard: Something is fishy" would be much more fitting!

Not as fitting as "Jonas Vingegaard: Godzilla, the King of Monsters". Alas, we'll have to make do with something worse.

 

[E_F_]

"Alas poor Chicken"

"There is something fishy in the state of Denmark"

 

[Nick2413]

I don't think Visma is far from UAE, but they clearly got surpassed this year. Nevertheless, like i said, they close the gap, probably they will have resources for that.

Plugge and Niermann will do everything they can, they hate to lose, if they can, they will go as dirty as the UAE guys.

I don’t think Red Bull bought a team to just play dead, we’ll start seeing some supernatural activity there soon and it won’t just be Roglic.

 

[Froome]

I don’t think Red Bull bought a team to just play dead, we’ll start seeing some supernatural activity there soon and it won’t just be Roglic.

You are right about Red bull.

I am thinking about Lipowitz, but they should buy Evenepoel.

 

[pastronef]

2025 will be a watershed year, both for performances and for the new 3-years WT licenses period starting in 2026.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So our hero has been in maintenance in Visma-LAB since August. They have a lot of time till the Tour to finetune his parameters. Teddy should be afraid! Hopefully Primoz will reveal the truth at some point:
One day I visited Jonas in his room and there was only his head on a table (and it talked to me!). I've been telling myself it was only a bad dream ever since!

 

[Rob5091]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...s-later-hes-the-only-one-to-take-down-pogacar

Jelle Vanendert thinks that after Vingegaard's fall, sand was thrown in his eyes. "I don't believe much in the story that Vingegaard recovered so slowly that he could only complete one altitude training camp before the Tour," he says in Het Belang van Limburg.

"Sixteen days in a hospital bed and then three months later, as the only one this year, to bring back Pogacar and beat him in a Tour stage...?" Vanendert shook his head.

 

[glassmoon]

Even after his miraculous (not normal imho) recovery this year I don't see JV beating Nuclear Teddy next year either...
NT must be on something special since he was at nuclear level since spring till fall not holding back and pretty confident he won't be caught.
Anyway since I plan to keep my personal promise to not watch cycling after this season until Teddy the Clown is busted or retired I don't really care... the state of this sport is just a bad meme basically.

 

[Netserk]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...s-later-hes-the-only-one-to-take-down-pogacar

Vingegaard was 12 days in hospital, only 8 days bedridden in ICU. Sounds like he mostly disbelieves his own imagination.

He was regularly seen while training, so I don't see at what time he thinks a second altitude training camp could have taken place.

 

[Froome]

Jonas Vingegaard Wasting No Time in Accelerated Tour de France Rebuild: ‘He’s Training, He’s Confident’

Two-time Tour champion Vingegaard already back on the bike and ironing out the wrinkles ahead of a 2025 showdown with Pogačar.

velo.outsideonline.com

The process already begun.


"Jonas is training really well on the bike, but focussing on his strength and conditioning also,” he said. “This means he can start to normalize again after he lost some muscle mass last year."

 

[pastronef]

Even after his miraculous (not normal imho) recovery this year I don't see JV beating Nuclear Teddy next year either...
NT must be on something special since he was at nuclear level since spring till fall not holding back and pretty confident he won't be caught.
Anyway since I plan to keep my personal promise to not watch cycling after this season until Teddy the Clown is busted or retired I don't really care... the state of this sport is just a bad meme basically.

you could watch the many races Pog won't be racing. Roubaix, Romandie, Giro, Omloop, Kuurne, Andalucia, TdSuisse, TdUnder, Occitanie, Brabantse Pijl, Tirreno OR ParisNice etc etc

 

[Rob5091]

Even after his miraculous (not normal imho) recovery this year I don't see JV beating Nuclear Teddy next year either...
NT must be on something special since he was at nuclear level since spring till fall not holding back and pretty confident he won't be caught.
Anyway since I plan to keep my personal promise to not watch cycling after this season until Teddy the Clown is busted or retired I don't really care... the state of this sport is just a bad meme basically.

1.1 races the only races worth watching! (and Hirschi's at Tudor next year )

 

[Casual cyclist]

Even after his miraculous (not normal imho) recovery this year I don't see JV beating Nuclear Teddy next year either...
NT must be on something special since he was at nuclear level since spring till fall not holding back and pretty confident he won't be caught.
Anyway since I plan to keep my personal promise to not watch cycling after this season until Teddy the Clown is busted or retired I don't really care... the state of this sport is just a bad meme basically.

That'll depend on whether they can afford putting Jonas on a similar Nuclear Bike. The cost is going to have both technical and political components, with the second likely significantly exceeding the first. But even the first one, by the looks of it, is far from negligible. As was once discussed in Teddy's own thread here, in principle, a couple of 18650 li-ion cells worth of energy would be sufficient to gain a decisive advantage. But, judging by the "nuclear ease" displayed by said Teddy throughout this season, there is a lot more inside his Colnago. Likely, it is some cutting edge lipo (as they have higher energy density than li-ion) packaged neatly and efficiently with some distributed brushless system. So it really is on the cutting edge of today's technology (as opposed to , for instance, Martian rovers that are well beyond the aforementioned edge) and therefore not cheap.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Going on about starting his training early giving him an advantage like he's the only one putting in the hard yards over the winter. Bodes well for whatever nonsense we are going to are going to see next year if they're already laying the foundations to explain an absurd performance! Can't wait to see what they have in store!

 

[Nick2413]

Jonas Vingegaard Wasting No Time in Accelerated Tour de France Rebuild: ‘He’s Training, He’s Confident’

Two-time Tour champion Vingegaard already back on the bike and ironing out the wrinkles ahead of a 2025 showdown with Pogačar.

velo.outsideonline.com

The process already begun.


"Jonas is training really well on the bike, but focussing on his strength and conditioning also,” he said. “This means he can start to normalize again after he lost some muscle mass last year."

Can’t wait to see Yoked Vingegaard outsprinting Pogacar at the line again in 2025. Stage 11 this year was a taste of what’s to come.

 

[veganrob]

Going on about starting his training early giving him an advantage like he's the only one putting in the hard yards over the winter. Bodes well for whatever nonsense we are going to are going to see next year if they're already laying the foundations to explain an absurd performance! Can't wait to see what they have in store!

Oh yeah. We've seen this before.