I understand that, although I suppose from a clinic perspective - now that we're in this part of the forum - this year's Vinge performance should get the alarm bells ringing as loudly as last year's ITT. Coming back from the ICU in the course of a few months and putting out his best numbers ever. In that sense, he's lucky that Pog stole the headlines this year; otherwise Vinge would have looked grotesquely good, even to the most blindly enthusiastic spectators ie the Danish TV2 Tour coverage.
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The way things seems to stand right now, I am not so sure about this. The sport is clean now, there are almost no doping cases anymore (compared to what used to be), the science has improved soo much (again and again, after at least the last times with Armstrong and Sky) And so it goes.. So it's all for real, the numbers can be celebrated. There seems to be near zero awareness other than some obligatory questions. They may be raised but there are ready made answers to make them go away, to use them as a form of reassurance that everything is in order, rather than to use them as a critical instrument.
So I am really not sure if Vingegaard wouldn't have turned into a miracle story to fuel the myth of cycling. A triumph of the will over the body, a remarkable feat of work, dedication and superior training methods.
If he didn't had the injuries in April, he would be around 7 w/kg in 40 minutes during the Tour, and i can safely say this when i see guys like Landa improving as much or more than him this year with 34 years and witha inferior doping programm, plus the fact i never said Vingegaard was clean.
In the spring he already did a good jump in terms of level comparing to the previous year.
What i didn't expected was Pogacar doing 6.8 w/kg in 40 minutes, but after seeing the improvement of other guys like Landa and Gee, plus the fact UAE has a lot of money and resources to do a good doping programm, then it makes all the sense in the world the perfomances he did.
We were told Pogacar would be better, he was focusing on long climbs, and he has looked better all year. Without the injury Vinge and Pog are most likely similar and if both have zero problems next year they’ll probably be pushing even higher numbers.
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Thats just wishful thinking and thats okei of course but not much else. There actually isnt much problem to reach top shape in 3months theres plenty of evidence look no further than Crass this year, crashed same time argueable worse and top form in Tour.
There is so many cases that its no problem getting in top shape in that span the problem is time and the super rest in between which time stopped him from which lays the base for the 3 week, thats it nothing else.
Vingegaard will have the same coach he has had in Tim Heemskerk AND the same program he has had so its only a .... hope I would say but who knows but far from certain and most likely not that he can gain that much cause the leap is huge lets not kid ourself -- its even more logical Pogacar would just increase it with only 1 year in with new coach, program and he is younger still only 25.
He is also tapped out in kg to lose semi. Just the bottom line. It is what it is I would look out for Evenpoel more if I was Vingegaard. But ofc course can always dream nothing wrong with that.
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Pogacar said we'll probably see even higher numbers next year, and more records being broken. So I guess the arms race is full on! Who'll be willing to take it to the most extreme? Who's willing to take the biggest risks? And who responds the best?
I certainly hope Vingegaard doesn't lose more weight. He already looks almost transparent and weirdly frail.
Evenepoel, I agree, will probably come back even stronger next year. He seemed like a transformed rider compared to the guy who rode the Vuelta last year. It's still quite a step up to match Vingegaard's level this year, but if this is only the beginning of the Evenepoel transformation, he could become a serious TdF contender.
Vingegaard was too lean this year because of the loss of muscle mass due to his hospital stay. He will be heavier and more powerful next year.
In reality, it doesn't make any sense someone saying he was better this year, when he was rolling worse, descending worse, and lost a lot of explosion due to the loss of muscle mass.
He was better fuelled this year, so he could climb faster despite that.
He was faster only in two climbs. Couillole and Plateau de beille.
In the other ones he was slower than last year. Overall he was clearly worse than last year, in all areas.
Biggest cheater of all time this guy
Hospital to 2nd in Tour? Crazy
And that is after the most doped performance of all time in Combloux a year earlier
Dude had no results as a junior. NONE
Worked in a factory. Just insane.
Hospital to 2nd in Tour? Crazy
And that is after the most doped performance of all time in Combloux a year earlier
Dude had no results as a junior. NONE
Worked in a factory. Just insane.
They eat a lot of Riis for breakfast. Must be that which make them so strong to climb out of a hospital bed and climb mountains.
Apparently, fish factories are also great training facilities for a rider.
Salva, I'd say Pogacar and Vingegaard fans should avoid their respective threads because the smearing posts become useless and pathetic at some point
This whole section is pretty pathetic tbf.Salva, I'd say Pogacar and Vingegaard fans should avoid their respective threads because the smearing posts become useless and pathetic at some point
But anyway, Vingegaard is the biggest doper I have ever seen. Good that there is place we can discuss that.
His miraculous recovery to come 2nd in the Tour was hilarious and completely defied logic, he was just very lucky that Pogacar's mutant performances took all the limelight.
Although I agree, the Combloux performance was an absolute farce, that was one day, Pogacar does performances close to that on almost every race day this year..
Also, riders develop at different speeds, not all riders burst onto the scene as juniors.
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And he came from nowhere, he was nobody couple years ago…
Pogacar / UAE are probably extremely grateful, Vingegaard is around. Just imagine, without Vingegaard - Pogacar would have won all TdF since 2020 with absurd margins and countless stages. Would probably put them under much more pressure to justify this kind of performance, and would be extremely difficult....
The live radio call moment of him dropping on Loze gave so many a fake ass sense of relatability
100% truth , no one is even close to him when it comes to doping
His coach said before the tour that he can do 6,7w/kg for 35min. Like wtf he climbs on Pantani lvl or even stronger and he was nobody in junior/pros untill Visma fuel him
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