Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[bigcog]

This thread is hilarious. If Pogacar would have won all would be 🌈 and 🦄.

Most realise they are both space cadets.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I am not sure about the other

Yes, you didn't get the memo, we are all wrong asking questions, it's Pogacars inferior regeneration and risk taking. That's it.

UCI employed AI bots to cover it all up. Somebody has been consulting with Pat and Hein.

 

[D. Pecher]

I'm someone who has literally no time for either Vingegaard or Pogacar, in fact ever since Jens Voigt upped sticks and retired no driver could really cause excitement anymore.

But seriously, this TT is just taking the mickey for me. A guy who failed to open more than a 10 second gap over two weeks suddenly goes over 4 secods faster a km than anyone else. Sorry, but my suspension of disbelief doesn't go that far, and even the seond place trounced the third place by quite a margin. And what to make of van Aerts? He slaved away like a fairground tart for days on end, always to complete exhaustion, and we are to believe that one rest day is enough to get him back to 3rd place material? I'm torn, but this day broke the tour for me. Unless either Vingegaard, Pogacar or WvA completely tank tomorrow, this result just looks a bit too much Ratiopharm to me.

 

[ManicJack]

I'm someone who has literally no time for either Vingegaard or Pogacar, in fact ever since Jens Voigt upped sticks and retired no driver could really cause excitement anymore.

But seriously, this TT is just taking the mickey for me. A guy who failed to open more than a 10 second gap over two weeks suddenly goes over 4 secods faster a km than anyone else. Sorry, but my suspension of disbelief doesn't go that far, and even the seond place trounced the third place by quite a margin. And what to make of van Aerts? He slaved away like a fairground tart for days on end, always to complete exhaustion, and we are to believe that one rest day is enough to get him back to 3rd place material? I'm torn, but this day broke the tour for me. Unless either Vingegaard, Pogacar or WvA completely tank tomorrow, this result just looks a bit too much Ratiopharm to me.

I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles that only one rider has access to.

 

[Tonton]

I wished that I would never return to this side of the forums, I swore after my '18 Giro meltdown and my subsequent mod resignation that I would never get too high, never get too low, but I'm a cycling fan first and foremost...

...here we are again, $hit rubbed in our face, and it's hard to ignore it. Today reminded me of Luxembourg. L'Equipe "from another planet" headlines say it all.

As long as the TV ratings are good, it's all good. That's what we're supposed to eat. The mob will buy it. Here we are...again.

Sad.

 

[nightowl]

Of course not. Simply, Vingegaard is not so popular than pogacar. They are all in the same "mix", simply Vingegaard is a better GC rider than pogacar. People forget that pogacar's boss are gianneti and matxin, the same guys that were with ricardo ricco. They have money....do you all think that emirates is not using the same that jumbo is using? Of course not. They are all in the same "mix".

I know I really shouldn’t engage but anyway, this sounds exactly like Lance fans saying everyone’s on the same sauce so it’s fair game. Not that Pogacar isn’t doping (of course he is) but if Vingegaard is really just that much better he wouldn’t have been getting dropped for most of the tour. Jumbo clearly cooked up some different kind of rocket fuel to use for today and the results were an order of magnitude above anything either of them have done before. The reaction is obviously warranted and no different than when Pogacar was pushing the needle in 2020-21

 

[D. Pecher]

I know I really shouldn’t engage but anyway, this sounds exactly like Lance fans saying everyone’s on the same sauce so it’s fair game. Not that Pogacar isn’t doping (of course he is) but if Vingegaard is really just that much better he wouldn’t have been getting dropped for most of the tour. Jumbo clearly cooked up some different kind of rocket fuel to use for today and the results were an order of magnitude above anything either of them have done before. The reaction is obviously warranted and no different than when Pogacar was pushing the needle in 2020-21

The more interesting fact is that they manifested just how much ahead both Vingegaard and Pogacar are of the rest, considering they both trounced WvA who must be running on fumes after running himself ragged in breakaways or slaving for Vinge for two whole weeks, And more importantly, from WvA down the time gaps looks a damn sight more like what you'd expect from 22km ITT. This wasnt one of the 50km slogs we've seen during the days of Armstrong or Ullrich, nor was it a vertical business like the MTT up Alpe d'Huez.

 

[Andy schleck]

I know I really shouldn’t engage but anyway, this sounds exactly like Lance fans saying everyone’s on the same sauce so it’s fair game. Not that Pogacar isn’t doping (of course he is) but if Vingegaard is really just that much better he wouldn’t have been getting dropped for most of the tour. Jumbo clearly cooked up some different kind of rocket fuel to use for today and the results were an order of magnitude above anything either of them have done before. The reaction is obviously warranted and no different than when Pogacar was pushing the needle in 2020-21

Vingegaard was really dropped one time, and it was just on cambasque after buried himself on tourmalet.

 

[D. Pecher]

Vingegaard was really dropped one time, and it was just on cambasque after buried himself on tourmalet.

He also lost time on the Puy de Dome, on a very short distance, too. Until today he certainly didn't look like someone who out of the blue would go 4 seconds per kilometre faster than anyone else.

 

[nightowl]

Vingegaard was really dropped one time, and it was just on cambasque after buried himself on tourmalet.

Sure, dropped properly once and then consistently ridden off the wheel after that, doesn’t change my point

 

[Savant12]

He almost caught Pog, who crushed everyone else, and that says something.

 

[skippo12]

Grischa Niermann must have called his special friend Geert Leinders. Bringing out the good stuff for the Tour.

 

[Scarponi]

Yes, you didn't get the memo, we are all wrong asking questions, it's Pogacars inferior regeneration and risk taking. That's it.

Yeah and the full season schedule for Pog

 

[proffate]

Sure, dropped properly once and then consistently ridden off the wheel after that, doesn’t change my point

At this point it just feels like a two week long rope a dope. If you knew you could hold 8w/kg or whatever but didn't want to light up the "power estimates for climbs" thread or draw too much attention by being too inhuman/dominant, you'd probably wait till this stage to lay down the law.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

The part I don't get is the insistence on here that Pogacar didn't have a bad day. I highly doubt that anyone at UAE would accept that Pog's best effort on this course is 1:38 off Vingegaard.

 

[SHAD0W93]

The part I don't get is the insistence on here that Pogacar didn't have a bad day. I highly doubt that anyone at UAE would accept that Pog's best effort on this course is 1:38 off Vingegaard.

On a different note they’d think it was a bad day because Pog and most likely the team thought he was going to win and be in yellow after the stage.

 

[meat puppet]

The part I don't get is the insistence on here that Pogacar didn't have a bad day. I highly doubt that anyone at UAE would accept that Pog's best effort on this course is 1:38 off Vingegaard.

Didn't he ship time to Yates on the climb, read so on the main forum? If so, clearly it wasn't one of his best days.

 

[nightowl]

Didn't he ship time to Yates on the climb, read so on the main forum? If so, clearly it wasn't one of his best days.

He was 1 second slower on the steep portion, but he did take time on a bike change. Then on the flatter upper portion he was 32 seconds faster than Yates even though the TT bike should’ve been faster there, so they clearly paced it differently

 

[Pirazziattacks]

On a different note they’d think it was a bad day because Pog and most likely the team thought he was going to win and be in yellow after the stage.

If they really did believe that instead of privately expecting that Pog would limit his losses, something must've gone wrong.

 

[nightowl]

The part I don't get is the insistence on here that Pogacar didn't have a bad day. I highly doubt that anyone at UAE would accept that Pog's best effort on this course is 1:38 off Vingegaard.

Well compared to everyone else he had a great day. He was nearly 1.5 minutes faster than any other GC rider, he put time into WvA at a faster rate than in 2020, and had Vingegaard not existed he would’ve had one of the biggest winning margins in Tour history at 3.6% of the winner’s time (Ullrich held the record of 4.0% from 1997). But then along came Vingegaard who put well over a minute into WvA in just 16km of rolling terrain followed immediately by climbing Cote de Domancy at 2096 VAM - on a TT bike. All en route to winning by a 5% margin. Pogacar wasn’t bad Vingegaard just hit a completely different level all of a sudden.

 

[armchairclimber]

Hello, it has been a while.
I look forward to Ross Tucker analysing the numbers.

 

[Netserk]

Come on it’s taking risks, faster cornering Just don’t worry about 7 watts per kilo?

I really wonder what the media in Denmark is saying. Are any game enough to question their heroes performance?

Vingegaards vilde ridt skriver sig ind i den store Tour-historie
Vingegaards fantomtid overraskede ham selv
'Den bedste enkeltstart nogensinde' giver ro hos Jumbo-Visma
Vingegaard smadrer Holger Rune
Vingegaard sætter vanvittig watt-rekord: 'Jeg har aldrig set noget lignende!'
Lance Armstrong: 'Det er mindblowing'
Verden måber over Jonas Vingegaard: 'Den bedste enkeltstart nogensinde'

 

[Pantani_lives]

So why isn't he going to the ITT world championship? Because one can't use this kind of drug cocktail too often. It would be too hazardous for his health. He'll probably spend August doing some rehab program. They have copied the Armstrong method: only focus on the Dauphiné as preparation and the Tour as the main dish. The rest of the year doesn't matter.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

If they really did believe that instead of privately expecting that Pog would limit his losses, something must've gone wrong.

This doesn’t make any sense. I think he hit his numbers, he caught Rodriguez, he put 1:13 on Wout and more on all the other GC contenders. Jonas has been very good in ITTs and maybe could have nipped Wout last year for his first ever ITT victory, but this??? If he had performed the same relative to Wout as last year, Pogi would be in yellow by over a minute .

 

[Netserk]

So why isn't he going to the ITT world championship? Because one can't use this kind of drug cocktail too often. It would be too hazardous for his health. He'll probably spend August doing some rehab program. They have copied the Armstrong method: only focus on the Dauphiné as preparation and the Tour as the main dish. The rest of the year doesn't matter.

Uh, did you watch Itzulia?!

It's as stupid as saying that Contador copied Armstrong in his Tour obsession.