Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[D. Pecher]

Well, they brought on Seppelt for that if needed (thats why they were on no speaking terms with Bauhaus for some stages this year). But not the commentators/experts.

I had already wondered why the commentators praised the podium positions of Bauhaus, yet he is the only of the 7 German riders in de Peloton they don't interview.

 

[DFA123]

It's a bit sad tbh, considering recent history.

I recommend the 'code yellow' Dutch documentary which showed the behind the scenes Jumbo team during the 2020 Tour. After LPDBF, Roglič was in a quasi state of shock in the car on the way back to the hotel. He said something like "2 minutes over 36km is enormous, with that amount of power he can win races on one leg". Dumoulin was equally shocked & speechless.

Then a guy in their own team comes along & makes that performance look pitiful. I don't know where this is going & I almost don't care anymore. It seems like nothing people used to talk about or believe is important, i.e. rider weight, physiology, energy conservation during stages, teammates & their energy expenditure over the entire Tour, equipment, aerodynamics, wind tunnel work, rider profiles (i.e. rouleur, climber, all rounder). It's just B.S. which occupies us little folk & cycling nerds when the real watts bombs clinically deployed at strategic moments are all that matter now.

Imagine the level of B.S. we swallowed & posted about over the past week or so when we were all discussing Jumbo's tactics & Pog's recovery prospects after a hard stage? (among other nerdisms) It's all just twaddle.

Vinge & Jumbo had this one in the bag & knew it.

This is absolutely spot on. Except that I'm not sure Jumbo did know they had it in the bag, which is kind of why we saw the ridiculous display yesterday. They probably anticipated that Pog would go just as thermonuclear in the TT, and that they needed to use everything to match (and hopefully better him).

Unfortunately for them, Vingegaard seems to be a bit thick, and didn't realize that it may have been smart to rein it in when it turned out that Pog was 'merely' at his usual level.

 

[Salvarani]

The cameras aren't exactly on Vingegaard at all times, FYI. Whenever we saw him, he was just hammering down the power whilst shifting all over his machine. Froomey stuff. And yes, when Froome's unorthodox style was repeatedly mentioned as a "wtf" element in his dominance, I reckon the same applies with Vingegaard. Unless someone is overly defensive & doesn't like that level of criticism.

And this Tweet by Brian Smith really hits hard:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681562731890057218

View: https://twitter.com/BriSmithy/status/1681562731890057218


I mean 'no comment', really.

It doesnt get more clear. JV are stupid for making that obvious.

 

[ppanther92]

I had already wondered why the commentators praised the podium positions of Bauhaus, yet he is the only of the 7 German riders in de Peloton they don't interview.

Apparently they sorted it out now. But yeah, was because of a Seppelt intro where the Bahrain raids last year were a topic.

 

[Salvarani]

It's a bit sad tbh, considering recent history.

I recommend the 'code yellow' Dutch documentary which showed the behind the scenes Jumbo team during the 2020 Tour. After LPDBF, Roglič was in a quasi state of shock in the car on the way back to the hotel. He said something like "2 minutes over 36km is enormous, with that amount of power he can win races on one leg". Dumoulin was equally shocked & speechless.

Then a guy in their own team comes along & makes that performance look pitiful. I don't know where this is going & I almost don't care anymore. It seems like nothing people used to talk about or believe is important, i.e. rider weight, physiology, energy conservation during stages, teammates & their energy expenditure over the entire Tour, equipment, aerodynamics, wind tunnel work, rider profiles (i.e. rouleur, climber, all rounder). It's just B.S. which occupies us little folk & cycling nerds when the real watts bombs clinically deployed at strategic moments are all that matter now.

Imagine the level of B.S. we swallowed & posted about over the past week or so when we were all discussing Jumbo's tactics & Pog's recovery prospects after a hard stage? (among other nerdisms) It's all just twaddle.

Vinge & Jumbo had this one in the bag & knew it.

All that talk about that every small thing matters and so on. It just a decoy. Selling a story.

When it is time to win a race. It is the same old stuff put in place. Some guys are just smarter than others and know how to put on a good show, while not setting of every alarm possible.

 

[Volderke]

Tom Dumoulin in Vive le velo on Sporza:

"At the moment, Jumbo-Visma is the best team in the world in everything. They do everything so structured and prepare everything so well, especially on such a time trial day."
"I have the feeling that at UAE they are just a little less close to that perfection. All things considered, it does make a difference."

me watching this:

 

[Salvarani]

This is absolutely spot on. Except that I'm not sure Jumbo did know they had it in the bag, which is kind of why we saw the ridiculous display yesterday. They probably anticipated that Pog would go just as thermonuclear in the TT, and that they needed to use everything to match (and hopefully better him).

Unfortunately for them, Vingegaard seems to be a bit thick, and didn't realize that it may have been smart to rein it in when it turned out that Pog was 'merely' at his usual level.

Pog rode a slightly better TT than in 2020. They knew what they could probably get away with. I think he rode exactly like they had hoped he would. Not defending anything about him, that he is also not doping. His performance is just within "reason", while of course not being within "reason" either.

What they didnt know was that this performance was coming. JV just going full atomic bomb. Never seen before stuff. Maybe by mistake.

If Vinge wins by 20-30s, I believe only a few comments on it afterwards... but it is not what he have here in the aftermath.

 

[ppanther92]

Tom Dumoulin in Vive le velo on Sporza:

"At the moment, Jumbo-Visma is the best team in the world in everything. They do everything so structured and prepare everything so well, especially on such a time trial day."
"I have the feeling that at UAE they are just a little less close to that perfection. All things considered, it does make a difference."

me watching this:

I respected Dumoulin for not wanting to be part of this new era with absurd speed. But come on, just abstain from *** bla bla like that. Hurts his reputation.

 

[Salvarani]

I respected Dumoulin for not wanting to be part of this new era with absurd speed. But come on, just abstain from *** bla bla like that. Hurts his reputation.

Might have felt bad for Dumo in the past, but not anymore. He just gave up. Couldnt do it. If he really was done or disgusted, he would have left it for good.

 

[nilfen]

Vingegaard's gap to Pogacar can be explained without doping - it's Pogacar's gap to van Aert we should question

 

[kingjr]

Thanks when I have time will try the translator?

In case you haven't had time yet:

Vingegaard's wild ride inscribes itself in Grand Tour history.
Vingegaard's phenomenal time surprised even himself.
"The best individual time trial ever" brings calmness to Jumbo-Visma.
Vingegaard crushes Holger Rune.
Vingegaard sets a crazy watt record: "I've never seen anything like it!"
Lance Armstrong: "It's mindblowing."
The world is astonished by Jonas Vingegaard: "The best individual time trial ever."

 

[Fantastico]

Pog's gap to WvA is more impressive though yesterday because the ITT was much shorter. 1:13 gain over 22.4km is much more impressive than 1:31 over 36.2km. And Van Aert is a stronger rider now as well, all things considered.

And someone is going to have to explain the marginal aero gains here...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681407721298378753

View: https://twitter.com/1ddenis1/status/1681407721298378753


It's like Froomey's elbows... with his knees!

I also wondered about this while watching.

 

[mr61%]

Nah, I'm having none of it.

Me neither. I thought Pog's 2020 ITT was blatant enough but this is in a different league. I've been following pro cycling for 40 years and I've rarely seen a performance like this that's so obviously chemically assisted. What Ving did was inhuman.

 

[Rackham]

I think the peloton should be administered iodine tablets today, i.e. a sort of mandatory rule when riding with Jonas Vingegaard.

 

[NFTtiddies]

I think the peloton should be administered iodine tablets today, i.e. a sort of mandatory rule when riding with Jonas Vingegaard.

Yeah, Jonas probably has a negative amount of friends in the peloton after yesterday.

 

[ice&fire]

I think the peloton should be administered iodine tablets today, i.e. a sort of mandatory rule when riding with Jonas Vingegaard.

I'd rather ask Jonas to wear an NBC suit.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This thread is exploding at the same rhythm as Froome's thread.

 

[Eclipse]

The cameras aren't exactly on Vingegaard at all times, FYI. Whenever we saw him, he was just hammering down the power whilst shifting all over his machine. Froomey stuff. And yes, when Froome's unorthodox style was repeatedly mentioned as a "wtf" element in his dominance, I reckon the same applies with Vingegaard. Unless someone is overly defensive & doesn't like that level of criticism.

And this Tweet by Brian Smith really hits hard:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681562731890057218

View: https://twitter.com/BriSmithy/status/1681562731890057218


I mean 'no comment', really.

This is an amazing visual haha

 

[markene2]

One thing you can bet on is Vingegaard looking "tired" and barely hanging on for the next stages, they have to play it down a bit. its good optics, considering placing a bet on pog for this stage just for this reason

 

[Savant12]

This thread is exploding at the same rhythm as Froome's thread.

If Vingo cracks after yesterday's stage then sure, it will be compatible with Froome's Tour wins: smash them on one big mountain finish, gain further time in the TT and hold on in the last week (dropping time to rivals). Vingo hasn't cracked yet or shown much weakness.

 

[Cookster15]

In case you haven't had time yet:

Vingegaard's wild ride inscribes itself in Grand Tour history.
Vingegaard's phenomenal time surprised even himself.
"The best individual time trial ever" brings calmness to Jumbo-Visma.
Vingegaard crushes Holger Rune.
Vingegaard sets a crazy watt record: "I've never seen anything like it!"
Lance Armstrong: "It's mindblowing."
The world is astonished by Jonas Vingegaard: "The best individual time trial ever."

Thanks. So no suspicions then. But I suppose it would be similar in most countries with their respective nationalistic media biases.

So we see we shouldn’t be so hard over the British and their fawning ignorance over Wiggo, Froome and Sky. We see even the Danes after the prior experience and ignominy of Chicken Rasmussen are capable of similar mass delusions.

 

[awavey]

You know I was also joking right?

No I didn't 😆 but I still think an important area to highlight you could still make big gaps 30+ years ago, without all being juiced up, simply because there was tons of gaps in how people prepared and rode those races. Those same arguments don't necessarily wash as well thesedays.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Nah, I'm having none of it. Vingegaard looks awkward as hell on a bike.

It's the most grotesque performance in 60 years & there's absolutely nothing worth defending here or explaining. What he did was impossible, end of.

He looks terrible on the bike, he rides faster downhill, on the flat, uphill & has a summer TdF peak which makes his Dauphiné performance look 'human' by comparison. I mean where was his superior cornering & ITT skills when Mikkel Bjerg beat him in the Dauphiné last month? Still in the lab, I assume.

What are you talking about? I don't see what you gain by making things up instead of just recognising how insane this performance was. If you think Vingegaard looks terrible on the bike you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. He's an efficiency machine, just like Pogacar.

 

[Salvarani]

One thing you can bet on is Vingegaard looking "tired" and barely hanging on for the next stages, they have to play it down a bit. its good optics, considering placing a bet on pog for this stage just for this reason

That would just make it more obvious to me.

Nah, if you are gonna do it like that he has to win today as well. If he was that much better yesterday, he should be just as good today.

 

[Rackham]

What are you talking about? I don't see what you gain by making things up instead of just recognising how insane this performance was. If you think Vingegaard looks terrible on the bike you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. He's an efficiency machine, just like Pogacar.

An "efficiency machine". Seriously?

This must be what Brailsford was talking about ten years ago when he mentioned how 'human evolution' would yield faster riders. They're just so "efficient". It's the future we deserve.

And yes, Vingegaard looks like sh*t on a bike. When the hypocritical Dumoulin had the nerve to say Pogačar looked like a "miner on the bike" after LPDBF whilst he turns a blind eye to whatever eyesore Vingeraard serves us right now, I just take whatever these people say with a pinch of salt.

I know what I see with my own eyes & you know what? That's good enough for me considering the rampant B.S. getting spewed by so called professional pro-cycling commentators & analysts.