Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[fbjim]

I wasn’t around back then, how good were the 2nd ITT riders to Indurain? Like really good and he was just insanity or was he really good on top of them being Pantani spec

You can't really compare it to Indurain because that was still the old school GC era where Indurain was never the best climber in the entire peloton while he was crushing ITTs.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Yeah, but I still think the sausage you can buy at a Jumbo supermarket is made of stuff you won't find in a sausage bought at Lidl.

You think a team sponsored by the United Arab Emirates doesn't have the resources of a supermarket chain? What are you smoking?

 

[Rackham]

Is French uniquely suited to accuse peopel of doping?

You don't need to speak French (or whatever language) to say or understand 'wtf' when Wout van Aert finishes 2:51 behind the winner over a 22.4km rolling, hilly ITT.

It's science-fiction & absolutely nothing could prepare any of us for what happened. Vayer has his obvious issues but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Danskebjerge]

The Russians were doping in athletics for years. They weren't crushing everyone. Doping doesn't explain this. Whatever is happening, it is much more significant than doping.

There are numerous examples of nations falling massively behind after doping revelations though. China in swimming for instance. And the US, France and Italy in cycling. Btw, Denmark also had some weak years in cycling following the cases of Riis and Rasmussen - but that has changed, as we know.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I wasn’t around back then, how good were the 2nd ITT riders to Indurain? Like really good and he was just insanity or was he really good on top of them being Pantani spec

When Indurain took 3 mins in Luxembourg, Mr. Clean last rider LeMond lost 3.8s/km

 

[Almeisan]

You can't really compare it to Indurain because that was still the old school GC era where Indurain was never the best climber in the entire peloton while he was crushing ITTs.

Yeah, back then small thin climbers were losing to tall muscular guys in TTs. That stopped with Froome.
No one was ever able to explain why GC contenders were beating TT specialists in the third week of the TdF. And now they aren't just beating them, they are crushing them by many minutes.

Imagine Pantani beating Ullrich by minutes on a flat TT!

Or imagine a 65kg female boxer beat Tyson Fury. If the laws of physics no longer seem to be valid, no PED can explain that.

 

[fbjim]

Yeah, back then small thin climbers were losing to tall muscular guys in TTs. That stopped with Froome.
No one was ever able to explain why GC contenders were beating TT specialists in the third week of the TdF. And now they aren't just beating them, they are crushing them by many minutes.

Imagine Pantani beating Ullrich by minutes on a flat TT!

I think it more stopped with Armstrong.

 

[Scarponi]

You can't really compare it to Indurain because that was still the old school GC era where Indurain was never the best climber in the entire peloton while he was crushing ITTs.

Yeah I was just wondering on a side note how good the other guys were at TT

 

[Scarponi]

Yeah, back then small thin climbers were losing to tall muscular guys in TTs. That stopped with Froome.
No one was ever able to explain why GC contenders were beating TT specialists in the third week of the TdF. And now they aren't just beating them, they are crushing them by many minutes.

Imagine Pantani beating Ullrich by minutes on a flat TT!

Or imagine a 65kg female boxer beat Tyson Fury. If the laws of physics no longer seem to be valid, no PED can explain that.

Didn’t Contador smash time trials too

 

[Almeisan]

I think it more stopped with Armstrong.

Armstrong was a triathlete and TT specialist. What do you mean?

 

[fbjim]

Armstrong was a triathlete and TT specialist. What do you mean?

And he was also winning mountain stages, which was really rare for Indurain.

 

[Salvarani]

Give everyone their results back.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Didn’t Contador smash time trials too

I'd argue his only super tt in the tour was in 09 and well... 09 Contador under Bruyneel would give Pogi and Vinge a good challenge.

 

[saganftw]

Yeah, back then small thin climbers were losing to tall muscular guys in TTs. That stopped with Froome.
No one was ever able to explain why GC contenders were beating TT specialists in the third week of the TdF. And now they aren't just beating them, they are crushing them by many minutes.

Imagine Pantani beating Ullrich by minutes on a flat TT!

Or imagine a 65kg female boxer beat Tyson Fury. If the laws of physics no longer seem to be valid, no PED can explain that.

i still remember a 1998 TT where pantani finished 3rd and that was WHOA because he wasnt a good TT at all

but those were cleaner times

 

[capuldemetal]

Is French uniquely suited to accuse peopel of doping?

Average W calculation would be nice, but normalized power is so ***.

well..vayer did it.he knows how is done.and who can speak better of doping than the ones who have one it

 

[QuickZulu]

Hahahahahaha

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681334211230199808

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1681334211230199808?t=v6lyII8K2uk5mRnYq1nV_A&s=09

"Doc, just wtf did you put into me this time? Should I be worried, and what's the glow period?"

 

[Salvarani]

Didn’t Contador smash time trials too

Until they busted him.

 

[DNP-Old]

I'd argue his only super tt in the tour was in 09 and well... 09 Contador under Bruyneel would give Pogi and Vinge a good challenge.

09 in Annecy is super scuffed too. Contador got motopacing reminiscent of a presidential escort.

 

[meat puppet]

Even if Froome's performances could be explained by bilharzia, then what illness would Vingegaard have needed to have had in his early 20s to explain his? Terminal cancer?

Cod-zilla. Invented already after stage 5.

 

[Salvarani]

Hahahahahaha

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681334211230199808

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1681334211230199808?t=v6lyII8K2uk5mRnYq1nV_A&s=09

Bless him, he is not the smartest guy is he.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Can I just take a minute to thank my fellow Clinic posters, you delivered.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Most juiced performance ever. Absolutely supernatural. WAY beyond 7 Watts/Kilo over half an hours. That's Just insanity.

 

[ontheroad]

The Cofidis rider Alexis Renard finished last at 10:46 which is outside the 33% time limit today. Eliminated by Vingegaard in a TT!

 

[BullsFan22]

I don't know. But I do know that there are people in doping organizations that cleared Russian athletes right up to the point when it was clear that there was massive state orchestrated doping going on. So I'm not convinced that those organizations are doing all they can to find out if doping is involved.

When was it clear and what was it that ‘cleared’ it?

 

[proffate]

Didn’t Contador smash time trials too

yep I remember he beat Cancellara in some Tour and Fabian studied the tape because he couldn't believe it. (Officially he decided Contador had gotten a moto draft.)