Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[Rackham]

And so, what is the verdict after today? Still think Jonas is on the same stuff as Pogi? Nobody is. Nobody ever was. Tadej is completely unprecedented, unparalleled territory in terms of noncredibility.

Vingegaard made a much greater impression of power versus the rest of the field back in the 2023 Dauphiné. He demolished everyone back then and then won the Tour as well.

He seemed a bit worse than I expected today. Especially when gauged versus Lipowitz and even his own teammates.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Vingegaard made a much greater impression of power versus the rest of the field back in the 2023 Dauphiné. He demolished everyone back then and then won the Tour as well.

He seemed a bit worse than I expected today. Especially when gauged versus Lipowitz and even his own teammates.

"The rest of the field" in 2023 was Adam Yates and Ben O'Connor. It makes absolutely no sense to draw this comparison when Pogi is destroying Vingegaard and Remco. And, by the way, Vingegaard took 41 seconds on Yates on Croix de Fer. Pogi took substantially more today on a much shorter, much easier stage. Pogi took almost as much time on Remco on Combloux today as Vingegaard took on HERMANN PERNSTEINER (!) on Croix de Fer in 2023.

In any case, Pogi's noncredibility does not hinge on today's result. Today's result is just Exhibit Z. You can pick genuinely almost any of his wins over the past three seasons. There is no comparison. Vingegaard is following in the footsteps of great GC riders like Contador and Froome. Nothing we haven't seen before in modern cycling. Pogi, on the other hand, is completely and utterly uncharted waters.

 

[FroomeWagon]

And so, what is the verdict after today? Still think Jonas is on the same stuff as Pogi? Nobody is. Nobody ever was. Tadej is completely unprecedented, unparalleled territory in terms of noncredibility.

No doubt Pogi broke out "the good stuff" for todays race. Let's hope (for the sake of competitiveness) that Vine had a bad day like Pogi had one yesterday. Probably not, but we can at least hope.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

He desperately needs to spend more time with his young kids! He's running low on love!!!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He desperately needs to spend more time with his young kids! He's running low on love!!!

He spent the last 3 months in his chamber with his family and it still wasn't enough!

 

[SorelyBoy]

No doubt Pogi broke out "the good stuff" for todays race. Let's hope (for the sake of competitiveness) that Vine had a bad day like Pogi had one yesterday. Probably not, but we can at least hope.

The good stuff, as in a working e-bike.

 

[Psycat]

I will withhold my verdict till after the Tour, still wouldn't be that surprised if we see Vinge skip a couple of evolutional steps and totally obliterate Pog in the mountain TT while keeping up for the rest of it. Of course would be way less of a suprise if the true giga mutant just keeps on winning.

 

[yaf2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933570261552443609

View: https://x.com/Max15236/status/1933570261552443609?t=iYahxt1O1leIPqXGNPhERg&s=19

 

[proffate]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933570261552443609

View: https://x.com/Max15236/status/1933570261552443609?t=iYahxt1O1leIPqXGNPhERg&s=19

What is this supposed to show...?

First you measure only the last few minutes of the race. You ignore the hours leading up to it. Then you zoom in even further on the y axis. Obviously there is clumping in some of the results bc riders drafted each other. But there was no drafting at the top. This graph looks very different if it's a mountain ITT.

Besides which, if you assume a bell curve of performance potential, it is natural that the top riders have fewer close peers than those who are nearer the middle of the curve.

 

[Ripper]

What is this supposed to show...?

First you measure only the last few minutes of the race. You ignore the hours leading up to it. Then you zoom in even further on the y axis. Obviously there is clumping in some of the results bc riders drafted each other. But there was no drafting at the top. This graph looks very different if it's a mountain ITT.

Besides which, if you assume a bell curve of performance potential, it is natural that the top riders have fewer close peers than those who are nearer the middle of the curve.

I suspect it shows that Pagacar is an outlier amongst outliers amongst outliers