Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[RedheadDane]

That's why I'm not pro-life.

Well, my life is kind of a fact.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

I watched a bit of that episode of The Move that someone linked after the TT where they had Jorgenson on, and it was interesting to hear him speak about Vingegaard. He said when he first spoke to him in hospital, Jonas wasn't sure if he wanted to ride again. Then when he joined them at training camp he was quite down as his numbers were bad. But that since then he had kept surprising himself, and being able to set more ambitious goals.

I don't know if today was one of those surprises for him, but it certainly was for me, when Pogi left everyone for dead I thought the rest of the day was damage limitation for him, definitely not winning the stage. Wonder how UAE will play it now.

 

[Nick2413]

I watched a bit of that episode of The Move that someone linked after the TT where they had Jorgenson on, and it was interesting to hear him speak about Vingegaard. He said when he first spoke to him in hospital, Jonas wasn't sure if he wanted to ride again. Then when he joined them at training camp he was quite down as his numbers were bad. But that since then he had kept surprising himself, and being able to set more ambitious goals.

I don't know if today was one of those surprises for him, but it certainly was for me, when Pogi left everyone for dead I thought the rest of the day was damage limitation for him, definitely not winning the stage. Wonder how UAE will play it now.

After everything he’s been through this Tour is bound to be a whirlwind for him, and he’s probably as surprised as anyone with how things are going.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Vingegaard “I’m gone I’m dead!! Oh wait nevermind.”
Would have been epic.

 

[dennisdy]

That's why I'm not pro-life.

May you rest in peace!

 

[Froome]

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[RobertCrawley]

The conventional wisdom is that Jonas's team is not strong enough to make a big difference in the high mountains. While his team is not as strong as Tadej's, they are not a bunch of pannenkoeks. They can make the race hard and launch Jonas into an attack. Of course, Tadaj's stronger team will accompany him longer up the mountains, but eventually these climbs are mano-a-mano, where Jonas might have a little advantage in the weigh to power ratio. They must try. They need to regain the 1:14.

 

[Tonton]

What most of us suspected all along: Jonas was not going to show up diminished at Le Tour: he cares about his legacy. He's The Man!

Vingegaard was super strong today. bravo Jonas! That minute looks smaller tonight and the mask is off. That's some developments.

Can he do it again?

 

[YavorD]

What I find interesting is how much of Vingegaard's prowes in the high mountains is down to the strength of Visma making the race really hard?
If that's the case they might be really close in the high mountains although I don't exclude the possibility Kelderman and Jorgenson to become price Kuss.

 

[iBanesto]

Chapeau!

 

[iBanesto]

What I find interesting is how much of Vingegaard's prowes in the high mountains is down to the strength of Visma making the race really hard?
If that's the case they might be really close in the high mountains although I don't exclude the possibility Kelderman and Jorgenson to become price Kuss.

Jumbo Visma train is tactically so much better than the UAE team with their pacing and making the race hard.

It seems like UAE are always focused on keeping the breakaway in check and Pogacar just burns through his top GC team mates way to early or he attacks way too far out as well.

 

[Ripper]

Oh oh, the due had tears and might have found more self belief after today. Put in some hard miles and dug into the suitcase of courage. Stepping up and moving the needle.

There is a chance everyone else is going to get fish slapped a lot over the next 11 days

 

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[Peter von]

Jumbo Visma train is tactically so much better than the UAE team with their pacing and making the race hard.

It seems like UAE are always focused on keeping the breakaway in check and Pogacar just burns through his top GC team mates way to early or he attacks way too far out as well.

yeah. Pogi is a stage winning monster and sometimes their greed get's the better of them and they spend team matches that really should be burnt by Visma.

Visma needs a hard race more than UAE, if UAE want's to use their guys as secondary GC threats, they need to get the other teams to do the pacing so they burn themselves out before Almeida goes on the offensive.

Visma are also quite clever in getting UAE to spend pennies to prevent Wout, Laporte or Tratnik from going in breaks.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

David Walsh calls it the greatest rivalry he's seen in his 40 years reporting on the Tour, the headline writer turns that into greatest ever, but wherever it stands in a historical sense he's right that we're lucky to have them, the Giro shows what a race is like without one to stand up to the other. Looking forward to some epic battles in the remaining stages!

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I have followed this race for more than 40 years. Seen some truly great Tours; ’86, ’87 and, especially, ’89. Yet there is nothing from the last four decades that compares with Vingegaard and Pogacar. Two great riders who had the bad luck, our good luck, to arrive at the Tour at the same time. Greg LeMond and Laurent Fignon had one tumultuous battle. These two are on their fourth.

Their rivalry began at the 2021 Tour when the then unheralded Vingegaard had the impertinence to attack and distance Pogacar on Mont Ventoux. Plucky, we thought at the time, having no idea of who we were dealing with. Pogacar reeled him in that day and went on to win his second consecutive Tour. Since then, there have been epic battles but none as riveting or dramatic as this 211-kilometre race through the Massif Central.

 

[slim charles]

That was mighty impressive, congrats. It's clear how much that stage win meant to him. I am a Pogacar fan but I was genuinely happy for Jonas.

He is still at a disadvantage in terms of the team strength, but he is clearly much stronger himself than anyone could have thought.

Whoever wins this, I am super excited about the rest of the Tour, these two guys are incredible.

 

[Medvind]

Watching Vinge in the beginning of the season when he dominated O Gran Camino and especially Tirreno-Adriatico, and with more longe range attacks than before , I thought, hell he seems even stronger this year, will be really hard to beat in the tour. The year before he got beaten in Paris-Nice by both Pog and Gaudu, now he crushed the competition in T-A. Clearly seemed he had improved further.

But then came the crash in Basque country and it was a question mark if he was going to get ready for the tour.
What we saw yesterday is still not a peak Vinge I thnk, otherwise he would have followed Pog's attack, but a Vinge that is on an extremely high level even when he is not at his peak, a Vinge with a higher potential celing than last year.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Jonas removed from the vuelta startlist. Looks like Uijtdebroeks will get his chance.

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[theyoungest]

I think after three years it shouldn't surprise anyone that Vingegaard is just the better 3 week stage racer, compared to Pogacar. He can just keep grinding on whereas Pogacar slowly but surely loses his some of his snap. It happens every time, and it's happening in this Tour. Visma know this, their whole tactic has been based around it for these last few years: Vingegaard has a slightly higher threshold, he can't go into the red as deep as Pogi can but he can hold a higher tempo for longer and recover from it better. Pogi is seen as the wunderkind of cycling, but in fact Vingo is just as much of a wunderkind... just not a very explosive one.

For cycling followers and media it's always the almighty Pogi who has made a mistake, whether it's his team or he himself, it can't just be that Vingegaard beats him. This time it's the Giro he has done, or he forgot to take a gel... look at Vingo last year, did two GTs in a row, does anyone think he couldn't have won both? I think if you let Vingo ride all three GTs in a year he could still do them at a very high level.

I'm very surprised that Vingegaard is as good as he is right now, and to me he did look a bit frail and even more "skeletonny" than before. But this might even help him in the climbs... certainly not on the descents and the flats, where Pogi has built up most of his advantage so far.

 

[theyoungest]

Jonas removed from the vuelta startlist. Looks like Uijtdebroeks will get his chance.

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He was never going to ride the Vuelta. His wife is due to give birth during that time.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

'No balls'

3 months ago;

Rides TDF 3 months later

And yesterday he managed to mount his two boulders yet again.
Of which are clearly visible in pic at top right.

 

[Berniece]

He was never going to ride the Vuelta. His wife is due to give birth during that time.

So did WVA's wife last year, but he had to stay last year until last minute because they needed him. Obviously TDF is more important than the Vuelta.

 

[Netserk]

He was never going to ride the Vuelta. His wife is due to give birth during that time.

In winter, the plan was that if he was fresh enough after the Tour, he'd ride the Vuelta too.

Vingegaard har igen planer om Grand Tour-double

Jonas Vingegaards store mål i 2024 er naturligvis Tour de France, men planerne for resten af sæsonen er også på plads

www.feltet.dk

 

[Netserk]

If I had to point to a mistake yesterday, it was leaving Rogla near the top of Peyrol when it was too late to catch Pogi. You could see he went deep the last few hundred meters, so he had no speed on the first false flat ~1.2 km of the descent:

Had he held back and then had the energy to pull Rogla on those 1.2 km, the pair of them would have stayed clear of the chasers at the bottom of Pertus, and perhaps been a bit fresher.

 

[Peter von]

Jonas removed from the vuelta startlist. Looks like Uijtdebroeks will get his chance.

I don't think Visma is planning anything other recovery after the Tour, then if Vingegaard can recover and be ready for a late season goal, they're happy. Doing Tour+Vuelta is a tall order in regular years, this year is special. Wouldn't surprise me if he is more tired after this Tour than the previous editions.

I also suppose the assumption is right that he is going to be there for the birth of his child as well. Maybe he could do a van Aert and go home, but i find it more likely he'll be training close by his wife.

In winter, the plan was that if he was fresh enough after the Tour, he'd ride the Vuelta too.

Vingegaard har igen planer om Grand Tour-double

Jonas Vingegaards store mål i 2024 er naturligvis Tour de France, men planerne for resten af sæsonen er også på plads

www.feltet.dk

It was from december 21st; They didn't necessarily know of the pregnancy at the time. At least not for long enough that they let their employers know about it.