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Yeah, for sure 😂That Dauphine is absolutely primed for someone to do a Talansky
🐐 vs ☠️So Teddy vs Skeletor at the Tour looks to be the main battle this year (again). Flandres and WC should also deliver.
Wishful thinking on Visma's part. Vingegaard will never be as explosive as Pogacar. Impossible.![]()
"It became clear that Jonas lacked the explosiveness to respond to Pogačar" - Visma's head of performance on getting Vingegaard back to his top level
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"There was a big difference. We focused on making him stronger in terms of muscle mass last winter. Last year Jonas was lighter than ever in the Tour de France, but mainly because he had lost so much muscle mass after his injuries,"
Wishful thinking on Visma's part. Vingegaard will never be as explosive as Pogacar. Impossible.
This is true. Even in 2023, Pogacar was more explosive than Vingegaard and could drop him a couple of times. But Vingo lost time in Galibier due to his lack of downhill skills (he was very good but probably regressed a lot due to his crash in Pais Vasco. He needs to rebuild his confidence).Vingo lost substantial time only on one stage (Galibier) due to less explosivity while on stage 11 he managed to bridge back to Pogacar. The biggest losses happened on most difficult climbs - he simply lacked climbing w/kg to match Pog. He can get better with optimal preparation but it's not about explosivity but mainly about 20-45 minute w/kg, as usually.
Agree. We have seen Pogacar's explosivity since he arrived on the scene. In the 2020 TdF he out sprinted Roglic on MTFs (Grand Colombier).Vingo lost substantial time only on one stage (Galibier) due to less explosivity while on stage 11 he managed to bridge back to Pogacar. The biggest losses happened on most difficult climbs - he simply lacked climbing w/kg to match Pog. He can get better with optimal preparation but it's not about explosivity but mainly about 20-45 minute w/kg, as usually.
Personally think the explosiveness is overrated, he will never match it, and its not the main issue.Wishful thinking on Visma's part. Vingegaard will never be as explosive as Pogacar. Impossible.
Bingo. Aside from Galibier explosesiveness isnt the case at all, the case is he needs to be able to sustain higher average speed(w/kg its that simple and yet so hard) uphill above anything else,first close that gap. Pogacar didnt attack last 500 meter besides the time he didnt actually even try to win the stage with his team. He attacked 5-6-7-8 km out and just keept riding at a w/kg noone else is close to sustain, explosiveness is not the issue. Well it is a issue but far from the main issue.Vingo lost substantial time only on one stage (Galibier) due to less explosivity while on stage 11 he managed to bridge back to Pogacar. The biggest losses happened on most difficult climbs - he simply lacked climbing w/kg to match Pog. He can get better with optimal preparation but it's not about explosivity but mainly about 20-45 minute w/kg, as usually.
No, he lost time in the straight pedaled descents where Pogacar's greater weight (64 v 58kg) gave him an advantage. Nothing to do with downhill skills. But Vingo lost time in Galibier due to his lack of downhill skills (he was very good but probably regressed a lot due to his crash in Pais Vasco..
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but what made Vingegaard win those two Tours in the first place is that he was able to sustain a higher pace for longer than Pogacar, and recover better from the effort. What separated Pogacar from Vingegaard used to be his explosiveness, not his endurance. He closed the gap last year, in fact probably surpassed what Vingegaard has ever been able to do, but I'd like to see a well-prepared Vingegaard take him on. It will almost certainly be a closer race.Personally think the explosiveness is overrated, he will never match it, and its not the main issue. Jumbo is starting to be more and more like a chihuahua each year, alot of bark little bite, cant even remember the last time they won a cobble monument. To their defense, its literally their job to gasslight their own riders so its understandable.
Bingo. Aside from Galibier explosesiveness isnt the case at all, the case is he needs to be able to sustain higher average speed(w/kg its that simple and yet so hard) uphill above anything else,first close that gap. Pogacar didnt attack last 500 meter besides the time he didnt actually even try to win the stage with his team. He attacked 5-6-7-8 km out and just keept riding at a w/kg noone else is close to sustain, explosiveness is not the issue. Well it is a issue but far from the main issue.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but what made Vingegaard win those two Tours in the first place is that he was able to sustain a higher pace for longer than Pogacar, and recover better from the effort. What separated Pogacar from Vingegaard used to be his explosiveness, not his endurance. He closed the gap last year, in fact probably surpassed what Vingegaard has ever been able to do, but I'd like to see a well-prepared Vingegaard take him on. It will almost certainly be a closer race.
This is self evident surely. Its Visma's job to motivate their riders. The team radio race highlights on stage 15 of 2024 Tour confirmed this, in summary, if we execute the plan we know Pogacar can't match you. Except he did.the explosiveness is overrated, he will never match it
I think nearly all fans would agree. Hoping for both riders to have an uninterrupted and healthy preparation for the 2025 showdown.I'd like to see a well-prepared Vingegaard take him on. It will almost certainly be a closer race.
Vingegaard won those Tours because he pushed more watts than Pogacar. Simple as that.
He will have to push more watts than him this year to win the Tour. Simple as that.
Don't confuse explosiveness in a sprint with explosiveness during a attack. Vingegaard had before the severe crash explosiveness to follow the attacks.
Vingegaard won those Tours because he pushed more watts than Pogacar. Simple as that.
He will have to push more watts than him this year to win the Tour. Simple as that.
Don't confuse explosiveness in a sprint with explosiveness during a attack. Vingegaard had before the severe crash explosiveness to follow the attacks.
That's what cycling is in terms of GT contenders. You have to be the strongest to win, except if you are Wiggins in 2012, but it was an exception.You make cycling sounds so boring... Just like Plugge
That's what cycling is in terms of GT contenders. You have to be the strongest to win, except if you are Wiggins in 2012, but it was an exception.
They never said that they knew that he couldn't follow. They hoped for it, as it was their best play. Thus the expressed belief in the plan.The team radio race highlights on stage 15 of 2024 Tour confirmed this, in summary, if we execute the plan we know Pogacar can't match you. Except he did.
Grischa: "But of course still a hard fight to drop Pogačar, eh. We need a big pull of Matteo for the first 20 minutes, and then Jonas you just have to do your TT after that, and we believe he will get in problems, eh."
Cookster: Visma team car said to Vinge on the radio that Pogacar couldn't match the watts in the heat Vingegaard was doing on PdB.
I don't think you summed up the radio message very well. I also fail to see what the alternative should have been to such an encouragement before their attack on the climb.
Still a better face than "i'm gone, i'm dead".It would be priceless to see their face in the team car after Pogacar took off his hands to fresh his head with water 1 minute after Vingegaard's attack.
This is true. But I took those team car comments in the context of what Visma have said before. Richard Plugge made similar comments in 2022 and 2023. Visma always seemed to think they had it all worked out and knew Pogacar's watts. But cycling isn't like that. Riders can have better preparation and tactics and circumstances on the road can hide true abilities. I also mentioned that it is the teams responsibility to encourage riders. But in doing so publicly they can also insult their rival. Noteworthy that Pogacar himself never took this personally.They never said that they knew that he couldn't follow. They hoped for it, as it was their best play. Thus the expressed belief in the plan.
we believe he will get in problems, eh
I find this kind of sensitivity from Pogacar fans a bit silly. Visma keep saying over and over again that Pogacar is the best rider in the world and they need their entire team to beat him, yet if they think they've found a weakness it's suddenly a huge insult.This is true. But I took those team car comments in the context of what Visma have said before. Richard Plugge made similar comments in 2022 and 2023. Visma always seemed to think they had it all worked out and knew Pogacar's watts. But cycling isn't like that. Riders can have better preparation and tactics and circumstances on the road can hide true abilities. I also mentioned that it is the teams responsibility to encourage riders. But in doing so publicly they can also insult their rival. Noteworthy that Pogacar himself never took this personally.