Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[dazaau]

Final km reminded me of Longwy last year. He can do a decent sprint, but a 1km 6% uphill sprint he's actually surprisingly *** at considering his normal sprint is okay for a climber.

It was a truly woeful sprint.

If it is a sign for future sprints pogi will collect all the boni seconds with relative ease. But at the end of the day if Jonas drops him on a big climb it won't matter much.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Although Poga is probably gonna collect the bonus seconds and increase his lead, Jumbo will do a better job protecting /working for Vinge and that will definitely help him in the third week.

As a team, UAE looks somewhat uncoordinated.

 

[Oldermanish]

Nothing like Pog. And certainly nothing like what Alberto did.

but when he has he's managed to do damage to Pog. Alberto is a past icon. There are multiple riders as strong as him in these GTs so the net effect is very few demonstrations like that occur.

 

[Oldermanish]

It was a truly woeful sprint.

If it is a sign for future sprints pogi will collect all the boni seconds with relative ease. But at the end of the day if Jonas drops him on a big climb it won't matter much.

Why would they sprint? Starting Day 2 of the Tour, UAE will be defending the first week including the sprint stages. Conceding a few seconds to save your team for weeks 2-3 starts now and that's the best way to play.

 

[Andy schleck]

He did what he have to do. Neutralize pogacar and wait calmly until the big climbs. He looks good and confident. He knows what he needs to do, to win this race.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Why would they sprint? Starting Day 2 of the Tour, UAE will be defending the first week including the sprint stages. Conceding a few seconds to save your team for weeks 2-3 starts now and that's the best way to play.

Just because they’re in the lead, doesn’t mean UAE has to ride.

 

[dazaau]

Just because they’re in the lead, doesn’t mean UAE has to ride.

And sprinting has nothing to do with Yates being in the lead or not.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Although Poga is probably gonna collect the bonus seconds and increase his lead, Jumbo will do a better job protecting /working for Vinge and that will definitely help him in the third week.

As a team, UAE looks somewhat uncoordinated.

I agree with you until the last sentence. How can you infer UAE wasn't coordinated? Don't know how you came to that conclusion when they completly cooked Jumbo.

 

[Rob5091]

Well, it did n't take long for the "why did n't they take Roglic?" to begin, but Vingegaard got isolated too quickly on stage 1.
Jumbo do need though to keep the pressure on Pogacar to see how good his legs are after some tough stages.

 

[pelotonIQ]

I agree with you until the last sentence. How can you infer UAE wasn't coordinated? Don't know how you came to that conclusion when they completly cooked Jumbo.

When Grossschartner did too hard of a pull not even realizing he went on a solo until he looked back almost 1 minute later and then had to ease up.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm liking him more by the day

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I'm liking him more by the day

Let's hope that isn't a kiss of death.

 

[Jagartrott]

What a teammate eh. Pulling for 500 m would have cost him dearly a week from now, so I understand he only wanted to follow wheels.

 

[Netserk]

What a teammate eh. Pulling for 500 m would have cost him dearly a week from now, so I understand he only wanted to follow wheels.

It’s fine to waste energy in races like Paris-Nice and Dauphiné, but this is the Tour. Winning the race is what they are here for, it will be a failure no matter what if they don’t.

 

[Jagartrott]

So you really think a 500 m effort is 'dangerous'?
I'm happy to have guys like Pogacar, who do not follow an accountant's (unproven) logic.

 

[The Clogger]

Vingegaard is here to win the tour. No reason to burn any matches for a potential stage victory to Van Aert. And with the chance to lose even more time to Pogacar.

In 2021 he would have closed the gap without hesitation.

 

[frisenfruitig]

Vingegaard is here to win the tour. No reason to burn any matches for a potential stage victory to Van Aert. And with the chance to lose even more time to Pogacar.

In 2021 he would have closed the gap without hesitation.

Sorry but this is ridiculous, he wouldn't have gotten dropped from that group from doing a pull one time. Nor would he have had a chance to get bonification seconds even if he didn't. It wouldn't have cost him anything.

 

[Red Rick]

This is simply a tactical spot team managers need to have figured out before the Tour even happens.

 

[Baldinger]

So you really think a 500 m effort is 'dangerous'?
I'm happy to have guys like Pogacar, who do not follow an accountant's (unproven) logic.

When did Pogacar help a team mate to victory in the Tour?

Later in the race, Pogacar could very well be the one following moves.

 

[saunaking]

Hard to criticize him. He's doing what he needs to, following the plan.
Wait for his 1 chance like Hindley at the 2022 Giro

 

[SHAD0W93]

When did Pogacar help a team mate to victory in the Tour?

Later in the race, Pogacar could very well be the one following moves.

When has Pog been able to help a teammate to victory? This isn’t UAE Tour or ToS.

 

[Berniece]

Most boring rider in the peloton, hope Wout thinks about the WC when he needs to go deep for this guy

 

[Netserk]

So you really think a 500 m effort is 'dangerous'?
I'm happy to have guys like Pogacar, who do not follow an accountant's (unproven) logic.

When was the last time you saw the defending Tour winner work for a teammate in the beginning of the race?

 

[Baldinger]

Most boring rider in the peloton, hope Wout thinks about the WC when he needs to go deep for this guy

I don't get it. Vingegaard did a lot of attacking in Dauphine and Itzulia. He even tried in Paris-Nice.

In hilly stages Pogacar has the upper hand and attacks. In the mountains it could very well be the other way around.

 

[Jagartrott]

When was the last time you saw the defending Tour winner work for a teammate in the beginning of the race?

When's the last time a defending Tour winner had a teammate that could both win bunch sprints and is a super-domestique in the mountains that was an integral part of the previous year win? Repaying such a guy with a 500 m effort would be outrageous, obviously.