Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Rackham]

So much for Rackham living in his dream world where Matteo Jorgenson was the captain. Turns out the injured Visma riders looks better than most expected.

Jorgenson is still a GC option for Visma.

Pulling on the flat for Van Aert doesn't mean anything. In fact didn't Vingegaard once pull for Laporte in the Dauphiné last year? I also remember a huge meltdown when Vingegaard didn't pull for WvA in stage 2 of the TdF last year.

By & large I'll say this Tour will be the Tour of serious kneejerk reactions until week 3. If Vingegaard holds Pog's wheel today & on Tuesday, the narrative will quickly turn against Pog's chances. But there's no way of knowing whether Vinge will have a serious loss of form later in the Tour due to his bad prep.

That bad prep FYI isn't made up. It's real. You can't 'undo' a crash like that & pretend a rider will be at 100% throughout the Tour.

 

[topcat]

As expected Vingo didn't lose time on stage 1.
Stage 1 was inconclusive.
Even if he ships a few seconds today, that will be inconclusive. To be real for real, we're probably going to have to wait till stage 7 to properly assess his form.

 

[Salvarani]

I was right!!!

No problem. He is ready to go.

 

[Peyroteo94]

His recovery is something else. I have no words, I'm shocked!

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Genuinely crazy stuff

 

[Valv.Piti]

People told me Jorgensen was the designated leader and that there was no way Vingegaard would be remotely close to this level. The same people told me that Roglic in fact was the favorite - curious, since these people do seem to have an exe to grind with Jumbo and Vingegaard.

 

[Froome]

I understand absolutely nothing.

That said, it's still just a 5 minute effort in the heat, this should probably come back faster than the really long hard efforst.

Because you don't believe in miracles.

 

[SHAD0W93]

What’s even better about the performance was Visma going all in for him. If he keeps it all together the third week will be crazy.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Something is going on or he faked his injuries a little bit. I can't find other explanation

 

[Tim Cahill]

Well.

***.

 

[Salvarani]

Tried to tell yall. This was obvious.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So Vingo is f**king back! So it was his numbers that convinced JV to take him, as I suspected. Today he was even stronger than I expected him to be though.

 

[Gigs_98]

I understand absolutely nothing.

That said, it's still just a 5 minute effort in the heat, this should probably come back faster than the really long hard efforst.

I gotta admit, I do feel a little urge to make a compilation of all posts where you explained why Vingegaard would be nowhere this July and why all the talk of him riding the tour was just a sham.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

OK so he can safely go home for his housing project now. Tour is over.
He was right that he was just lucky being picked.

 

[Salvarani]

I gotta admit, I do feel a little urge to make a compilation of all posts where you explained why Vingegaard would be nowhere this July and why all the talk of him riding the tour was just a sham.

Make a compilation of mine

 

[Peyroteo94]

He is going to win 7 Tours, isn't he?

 

[Salvarani]

Are we gonna expect what just happened was reasonable expectations? Hinault was even saying the other day "if Vingegaard is close to winning I don't understand anything about cycling anymore"

Well, it was the correct one.

 

[Gigs_98]

Are we gonna expect what just happened was reasonable expectations? Hinault was even saying the other day "if Vingegaard is close to winning I don't understand anything about cycling anymore"

I mean this was certainly better than I expected. But you gotta admit that you were overly pessimistic. You were still calling everything Visma said a bluff even when their communication regarding Vingegaard hecame more and more positive.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Remember when everyone voted for Pogacar to win the Tour? There was only one man who voted on Vingegaard... El Pistolero is a wise man

 

[proffate]

I've seen this trope before

 

[Netserk]

I gotta admit, I do feel a little urge to make a compilation of all posts where you explained why Vingegaard would be nowhere this July and why all the talk of him riding the tour was just a sham.

Please do. While we're all taking turns being spectacularly wrong, it's still funny.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I stand by what I said based on the information available. I wonder if I misevaluated the quality of training he was doing early on in his recovery before he went to Tignes.

Also, Benoot was literally saying none of them would have bet on Vingegaard finishing on the podium, and Zeeman was super uncertain about Vingegaards form before stage 1. I really don't think Vingegaard was doing some great numbers 2 weeks ago in training.

Looks to me that Vingegaard is just an insane responder to training a bit like Pog. These guys casually demolish riders in their first race of the season without being close to their peaks.

Another way of saying it would ofc just be they are more talented than the rest.

 

[Salvarani]

Got laughed at but this was an easy prediction.

 

[Brullnux]

I stand by what I said based on the information available. I wonder if I misevaluated the quality of training he was doing early on in his recovery before he went to Tignes.

Also, Benoot was literally saying none of them would have bet on Vingegaard finishing on the podium, and Zeeman was super uncertain about Vingegaards form before stage 1. I really don't think Vingegaard was doing some great numbers 2 weeks ago in training.

I think they were sandbagging, really. I don't think Vingo would have gone if they didn't think that he had a good chance of winning. The moment he was confirmed on the start line, we should have expected something like this.

Maybe, though, he'll still falter on the Galibier. We will see.

 

[Netserk]

Rewatching it, the team also made a big difference today. UAE were unable to drill the first ascent while Vingegaard started both ascents in perfect position. Yates only got to the front ~halfway up the second ascent and Pogi's attack was quite late, after the steepest part.