Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[vwpe]

Surely, you must work at the race in some capacity. Otherwise, why would you go around talking to DSes?
But of course they would have liked for him to compromise himself.

So, how many TdF wins do you have?

Zero im afraid i was never on that level hehe. Did ride the Tour was a accomplishment enough for me.

I like Jumbo and Jonas I was only trying to give context from the headlines circulating to high TV profiles that was all.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

The thread title.

Ok, so thread title has been changed twice within past 24 hours? (been mostly off within this timeframe).

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

And while we are discussing the thread title, the thumbnail could do with a change as well.

EDIT: The new one only shows Pogi ...

Pogi is his overcoat, nothing wrong here

 

[Samu Cuenca]

And while we are discussing the thread title, the thumbnail could do with a change as well.

EDIT: The new one only shows Pogi ...

I don't know why the rest of the picture doesn't show up when used as a thumbnail. I've tried to edit it and similar pictures, but then they didn't show up as possible options when I posted them.

 

[Berniece]

In press conference Vingegaard came back on the race of yesterday as well as looking forward to the next few weeks.

Vingegaard's racing behavior did not go undiscussed after yesterday's gravel stage. "If everyone turned around, we would all go for the stage win and then the differences would be very big," Evenepoel said after the stage.

"If I had ridden with the two of them at 70 km from the end and then had to let go, I would have lost the Tour yesterday," Vingegaard replied at the press conference during the rest day. "That is not driving without balls, but driving with reason. My only goal yesterday was not to lose time on my rivals. Yes, I am talking about multiple rivals. Pogacar is not the only rival. The fact that there are multiple rivals is a advantage. Then we are not the only team that has to race in the mountains."

What about the Dane's form? "Better and better every day. I may be a little less than last year, but it is difficult to judge that, as we have only had one mountain stage. Because we have had few mountain stages, I can grow in the Tour. That's an advantage for me."

That's all well and good, but the gap with leader Pogacar is already 1 minute and 15 seconds on the rest day. How big can that gap become before the peloton enters the high mountains? "That's difficult to put a number on. Last year I took seven minutes back in two days. Now we don't know how I will perform in the third week. The only thing I can try is to give everything the yellow jersey. And if that's not the case, life goes on."

 

[Nick2413]

I don't know why the rest of the picture doesn't show up when used as a thumbnail. I've tried to edit it and similar pictures, but then they didn't show up as possible options when I posted them.

I prefer this, it captures the fear only Vingegaard is able to instill in Pogacar by constantly making him look back.

 

[Medvind]

Vinge has point, it might be better for him if both Remco, Rogla and Crod is up there. More teams to put pressure on Pog and his team. It might backfire also, but If Jumbo LAB don't think they are as strong as last year, well, then it might be a good idea to get more teams in there.

 

[Netserk]

I don't know why the rest of the picture doesn't show up when used as a thumbnail. I've tried to edit it and similar pictures, but then they didn't show up as possible options when I posted them.

When you edit them, upload to imgbox instead of imgur, then you can use it as thumbnail.

 

[kn0s]

I talked to several riders, DS yesterday and all seemed very critical of Vingegaard.

He sure didnt gain any respect many even said far worse things than have circulating around media regarding him beeing just a wheelsucker. I was suprised of it actually the lack of respect from so many seems a bit to much.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-lack-of-cooperation-in-tour-de-france-attack

This is such a surface level take that it is completely useless and disingenuous, when presented as "inside information". It is just repeating the media spin of the teams. While they may not be the smartest at UAE and would like Jonas to throw away the tour on the stage, they know full well he shouldn't ride with Pogi.

 

[shadowrider]

Now you're just trolling. (and since you're anonymous, what are the "far worse things" that were said?)

My armchair fan take: We can only take Jonas's word for it, which is above. Riders who don't "respect" the 2X defending TdF champ? I guess they could do better after suffering a pretty serious crash and without your 2 best domestiques (Kuss and a subpar Wout). And riding a teammate's bike, after 2 flats, on roughly the same terrain where Pog went on an 80km solo earlier this year? Give me a break.

Yes, a 100% Vingegaard might have continued on with Pog. But a 100% percent Vingegaard doesn't get dropped on the Galibier descent either.

He was not dropped in the descent, but during the last hundred of meters of the Galibier-climb. Not having Laporte and Jorgenson to bring him back (as it happened yesterday). Vingegaard, as a less technical downhiller and just a little bit less strong on the non technical flatter parts of a descent, could keep the short distance one or two minutes, but than faded. But of course, if Vingegaard had been in the wheel of Pogacar in the Galibier-descent, he probably would have managed to follow.

 

[Froome]

Jonas Vingegaard hits back at criticism from Remco Evenepoel and Tadej Pogacar: "It was not a lack of balls, but just smart racing"

The ninth day of the Tour de France put on display the riders' qualities in the off-road sectors, team tactics and strength. Team Visma | Lease a Bike were without a doubt the strongest team and that...

cyclinguptodate.com

He is getting better day by day.

 

[shadowrider]

Surely, you must work at the race in some capacity. Otherwise, why would you go around talking to DSes?
But of course they would have liked for him to compromise himself.

So, how many TdF wins do you have?

Strange reaction. Do one has to have won the Tour to discuss with knowledge and common sense ? Even if this person proved not to have been a (professional) rider. So I assume that you have won the Tour at some point. Even if that were the case, it does not give you the right to deny others an opinion and knowledge of the matter.

 

[kn0s]

It is

Strange reaction. Do one has to have won the Tour to discuss with knowledge and common sense ? Even if this person proved not to have been a (professional) rider. So I assume that you have won the Tour at some point. Even if that were the case, it does not give you the right to deny others an opinion and knowledge of the matter.

This was not opinion, it was headline spin presented as inside information.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

If anything I’m more likely to root for him after this stage. He came to the Tour to win, not mess around being Pog’s domestique on his worst suited stages to gain fans and Twitter likes.

Me too, never really considered myself a Vinge fan (much as I may respect the aliens I can't help rooting for the mere mortals in most situations) but the reaction to the stage yesterday seems to have gone from overblown to quite amusing really and I'm starting to hope he gets his own back in week 3, unlikely as it may be given his prep. Of course it would have suited the two multiple monument winners for the 59kg climber on a teammate's bike to do turns on the front on a stage like that, riding away from Wout and Jorgenson so he had no support when they attacked him later. It would have made a nice tv spectacle for us and then we'd have had the added bonus of calling him an idiot on the forums later. But hey, it would have been exciting. In the end, the fact that he didn't do what they wanted indicates he did the right thing. And, for all Pogi's talk of other contenders, he didn't seem to prioritise putting time into Rog when he was distanced yesterday either, quite rightly his focus is mostly on putting time into Jonas.

There may come a time when Remco has to ride defensively in the high mountains, and maybe even Pogi who is usually so superior he can do whatever he wants may feel the Giro in week 3 and race more conservatively. Whatever it takes, there's a long way to go.

 

[Blobs]

I talked to several riders, DS yesterday and all seemed very critical of Vingegaard.

He sure didnt gain any respect many even said far worse things than have circulating around media regarding him beeing just a wheelsucker. I was suprised of it actually the lack of respect from so many seems a bit to much.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-lack-of-cooperation-in-tour-de-france-attack

He really had two options:

1: The entertaining option of riding with Pog and Remco, helping Pog set up a solo win, thus likely losing 1-2 minutes in GC, and effectively riding himself out of contention, making the rest of the race much less interesting.

2: The boring option of neutralizing Pog and keeping himself in contention for the overall win, making the rest of the race much more interesting.

I'm baffled that anyone would think option 1 would have been the right choice.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

When you edit them, upload to imgbox instead of imgur, then you can use it as thumbnail.

It seems to have done the trick, thank you.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He really had two options:

1: The entertaining option of riding with Pog and Remco, helping Pog set up a solo win, thus likely losing 1-2 minutes in GC, and effectively riding himself out of contention, making the rest of the race much less interesting.

2: The boring option of neutralizing Pog and keeping himself in contention for the overall win, making the rest of the race much more interesting.

I'm baffled that anyone would think option 1 would have been the right choice.

There's also the possibility that Pogačar would have thought twice about attacking again and worked with the Visma duo until the finish. That would of course have been a gamble, and it would also potentially have put the stage win and bonifications within reach, which is another reason why it wouldn't have been the best idea.

 

[ontheroad]

He really had two options:

1: The entertaining option of riding with Pog and Remco, helping Pog set up a solo win, thus likely losing 1-2 minutes in GC, and effectively riding himself out of contention, making the rest of the race much less interesting.

2: The boring option of neutralizing Pog and keeping himself in contention for the overall win, making the rest of the race much more interesting.

I'm baffled that anyone would think option 1 would have been the right choice.

That's precisely it. There have been countless examples of excessive wheelsuckers and Vingegaard won't be the first or last to be criticised for it. He done what he felt was required yesterday to stay in the race for the yellow jersey. I don't particularly like his style of racing and I do think he is a bit over obsessed with Pogacar but if that is what he believes he has to do in order to win the race, well then it was the correct tactical decision.

 

[Jagartrott]

For the first escapade with Evenepoel and Pogacar, Vingegaard could've played along a bit but pulling much less than the other two. It would've softened them up in the later part of the stage at least. But okay, it's quite understandable to go for low risk there.

However, with less than 15 km to go and broken free of everyone bar Pogacar *and* having a strong teammate with you while Pogacar had none, it's much less obvious why he (or Visma) was so conservative at the time. It was the perfect opportunity to create gaps to the pack, while having very low risk of Pogacar still being able to gain time as Jorgensen was also there.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Jonas Vingegaard hits back at criticism from Remco Evenepoel and Tadej Pogacar: "It was not a lack of balls, but just smart racing"

The ninth day of the Tour de France put on display the riders' qualities in the off-road sectors, team tactics and strength. Team Visma | Lease a Bike were without a doubt the strongest team and that...

cyclinguptodate.com

He is getting better day by day.

We will see, he’s been fading after every hard effort but last year he looked tired af and came out fresh as a daisy after the rest day. Maybe the same thing will happen.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

He really had two options:

1: The entertaining option of riding with Pog and Remco, helping Pog set up a solo win, thus likely losing 1-2 minutes in GC, and effectively riding himself out of contention, making the rest of the race much less interesting.

2: The boring option of neutralizing Pog and keeping himself in contention for the overall win, making the rest of the race much more interesting.

I'm baffled that anyone would think option 1 would have been the right choice.

Not a fan of Vingo, but I agree it's stupid criticism. He can't be expected to shoot himself in the foot.

I think it was also smart not to burn the team to try to get rid of Roglic. He want's to win the tour not make himself vulnerable to an attack by Remco or Pogacar, which would have been a huge issue hat he burned the team to dust Roglic.

 

[ppanther92]

Also not a fan of Vingo. But why should he change a way of riding that led him to the win in the last 2 editions? The bet on the last week is on. And he is right to play it.

The only situation he potentially should have let Jorgenson contribute, was when they were with Pogi. Because he could have gained time on Evenepoel (and Roglic), would have spent no time riding in the wind as only of the top 4 probably. That came at the small risk of Pogi dropping him. But I didn't see that. He was relatively quick on his wheel and Jorgenson could still have helped as well.

 

[Froome]

We will see, he’s been fading after every hard effort but last year he looked tired af and came out fresh as a daisy after the rest day. Maybe the same thing will happen.

I don't agree he is fading every day. He looked strong yesterday, with the exception of that specific gravel section where he explained there was a loot of loose gravel.

In the final sectors he didn't had problems in close the gap to Pogacar with the bike of Tratnik.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I don't agree he is fading every day. He looked strong yesterday, with the exception of that specific gravel section where he explained there was a loot of loose gravel.

In the final sectors he didn't had problems in close the gap to Pogacar with the bike of Tratnik.

Vinge had his team to help him cover Pogacar and they already said Tratnik’s bike was as close to his own as possible.

 

[Froome]

Vinge had his team to help him cover Pogacar and they already said Tratnik’s bike was as close to his own as possible.

Being close to own as possible is stil a significant difference on a highe level during 80 km.

Yes, the team helped a lot in that specific sector, but in the next final sectors, just like in the first sectors, he finished alone the gap, so he showed good shape in the end of the stage.