Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Red Rick]

Beautiful masterclass in long range defense.

 

[Froome]

Beautiful masterclass in long range defense.

He had a good teacher.

 

[Netserk]

I guess the team telephoned the real tactic today with their nose strips?

 

[Kedjan]

Stage 12 will be crucial for Vinge. If he can stay with Pog on Hautacam it will be a huge confidence booster. And it could frustrate Pog who likes to dominate the competition.

It will be important for Visma to try to drop some crucial UAE doms on Soulor so that Pog can't get a strong leadout on Hautacam. Then it might be possible for Vinge to follow.

 

[solo80k]

Stage 12 will be crucial for Vinge. If he can stay with Pog on Hautacam it will be a huge confidence booster.

Stages 12+13+14 combined are a monstrous combo. Hope Jonas can pressure Pog and not lose much time.

 

[Oldman]

Beautiful masterclass in long range defense.

Thanks to Yates' winning move and Ben Healy's class effort to claim the Yellow that Tadej wanted to give up. Yes, UAE did exactly what they wanted on the jersey strategy. Not enough of a lead by Healy for Tadej to add time to Jonas, though.

 

[dr.eve]

Stage 12 will be crucial for Vinge. If he can stay with Pog on Hautacam it will be a huge confidence booster. And it could frustrate Pog who likes to dominate the competition.

It will be important for Visma to try to drop some crucial UAE doms on Soulor so that Pog can't get a strong leadout on Hautacam. Then it might be possible for Vinge to follow.

Agree. They need to focus on isolating Pogacar as soon as feasible. They showed today it's possible, especially with the luck of Almeida's unfortune and Sivakov apparently not at his normal level.

On top of less protection for Pogacar this also makes the risk for Pogacar not feeding properly bigger.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Agree. They need to focus on isolating Pogacar as soon as feasible. They showed today it's possible, especially with the luck of Almeida's unfortune and Sivakov apparently not at his normal level.

Visma should have a large advantage over UAE in the high mountains. It's still on Vingo to somehow drop Pogacar and deliver the decisive punch.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He had a good teacher.

His explosivity is getting better day by day. Screw high mountains, his decisive attack will happen on the cobbled hill on Champs Elysees and next year he will slay MVP & Pogi in Flandres.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Dno, Matteo attacks left and right, pulls, attacks, Campenaerts drop back and paces, Kuss attacks, pulls, attacks, pulls, and Jonas just sits in the wheel of Pog refusing to do anything. Hard to really excited about this rider. Was that really the strategy? Was that it?

 

[Netserk]

Dno, Matteo attacks left and right, pulls, attacks, Campenaerts drop back and paces, Kuss attacks, pulls, attacks, pulls, and Jonas just sits in the wheel of Pog refusing to do anything. Hard to really excited about this rider. Was that really the strategy? Was that it?

I'm excited about your reaction. Yay!

 

[Valv.Piti]

I'm excited about your reaction. Yay!

Im just a bit confused, thats all

 

[theyoungest]

Dno, Matteo attacks left and right, pulls, attacks, Campenaerts drop back and paces, Kuss attacks, pulls, attacks, pulls, and Jonas just sits in the wheel of Pog refusing to do anything. Hard to really excited about this rider. Was that really the strategy? Was that it?

Vingegaard doesn't care about putting on a show for perpetually angry cycling aficionados, he's just trying to maximize his chances of winning the race. And today there was no point in pulling with Pogacar. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Vingegaard doesn't care about putting on a show for perpetually angry cycling aficionados, he's just trying to maximize his chances of winning the race. And today there was no point in pulling with Pogacar. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that.

OK, but what was Jumbo up to with Jorgenson and Kuss? Was it all about getting Jorgenson some time, with no intention to set Vingegaard up for anything? I was also confused watching it play out. Kuss kept pulling, not attacking, just pulling away from the group, then sitting up. It was odd.

 

[Red Rick]

His explosivity is getting better day by day. Screw high mountains, his decisive attack will happen on the cobbled hill on Champs Elysees and next year he will slay MVP & Pogi in Flandres.

We all know that by stage 17 the guys from the Giro will finally be supercompensating so it will just be Simon Yates pulling a dying Vingegaard in his wheel while Pogacar is screaming at Adam Yates who is simply refusing to ride after his brother.

 

[Sciatic]

OK, but what was Jumbo up to with Jorgenson and Kuss? Was it all about getting Jorgenson some time, with no intention to set Vingegaard up for anything? I was also confused watching it play out. Kuss kept pulling, not attacking, just pulling away from the group, then sitting up. It was odd.

Today definitely was not about trying to get Jorgenson some time, otherwise he wouldn’t be on the front pulling at times. And I doubt Jorgenson getting some time is perceived as a threat to Pog or UAE anyways.

 

[HashRouge]

OK, but what was Jumbo up to with Jorgenson and Kuss? Was it all about getting Jorgenson some time, with no intention to set Vingegaard up for anything? I was also confused watching it play out. Kuss kept pulling, not attacking, just pulling away from the group, then sitting up. It was odd.

I think they're doing everything they can to get Pogacar to cover attacks himself, with the idea that he will eventually become fatigued over the second and third weeks. So they send Kuss off the front to see if he takes the bait, then Jorgensen.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

I think they're doing everything they can to get Pogacar to cover attacks himself, with the idea that he will eventually become fatigued over the second and third weeks. So they send Kuss off the front to see if he takes the bait, then Jorgensen.

I mean, I guess...but why would he chase Kuss? Just total lack of discipline? Kuss is not a threat, and that wasn't even really an attack. He just eased away, then eased back. I'd definitely argue Jorgenson attacked at least once, once pulled by Kuss. Vingegaard never signaled any intention to attack.

 

[theyoungest]

Today definitely was not about trying to get Jorgenson some time, otherwise he wouldn’t be on the front pulling at times. And I doubt Jorgenson getting some time is perceived as a threat to Pog or UAE anyways.

Pogacar does respond to Jorgenson's attacks every time. Even more so than to Evenepoel. If he didn't, having Campenaerts up the road would have been a massive help in gaining some time. Now it didn't really make much of a difference, but say Pogacar had a really bad day, which you don't know until you know, then you better have these guys up the road to help you.

 

[Unchained]

I mean, I guess...but why would he chase Kuss? Just total lack of discipline? Kuss is not a threat, and that wasn't even really an attack. He just eased away, then eased back. I'd definitely argue Jorgenson attacked at least once, once pulled by Kuss. Vingegaard never signaled any intention to attack.

Visma is in a curious situation.. Kuss, Yates, Benoot all 20 back so any one of them can go stage hunting, go up the road in breaks full of guys who are already spoiled, Riders like Powless, Lenny Martinez, Alaphilippe, can join and nobody is going to chase.. So Visma can allow any one of the 3 to try something..Alaphilippe , Hirchi, Martinez already an hour back so nobody will lift a finger ..

 

[Rackham]

I think Vingegaard fans are naturally looking for some reason to see light at the end of the tunnel but the really bizarre inexplicable thing yesterday was Vinge reaching out to Pog for a handshake as they crossed the line. It's stage 10. They didn't even duel, Vinge never attacked and the high mountains haven't even started; yet and there he was re-enacting old cycling imagery of la paix des braves (like Lance & Ullrich or others before them) before the real hostilities even begin.

So what was that? Unless he used an unclean hand to get Pogi ill over the coming days I really don't get what that was all about.

 

[dr.eve]

I think Vingegaard fans are naturally looking for some reason to see light at the end of the tunnel but the really bizarre inexplicable thing yesterday was Vinge reaching out to Pog for a handshake as they crossed the line. It's stage 10. They didn't even duel, Vinge never attacked and the high mountains haven't even started; yet and there he was re-enacting old cycling imagery of la paix des braves (like Lance & Ullrich or others before them) before the real hostilities even begin.

So what was that? Unless he used an unclean hand to get Pogi ill over the coming days I really don't get what that was all about.

What was that? Just being nice to each other maybe?

People are looking for way too much.

It is all not so difficult, same as the Visma strategy yesterday. You can all disagree with a strategy but do not act like it's all so weird because it's quite simple actually.

And I am not a Vingegaard fan, I just want a nice competition as a cycling sports fan.

 

[Skalman]

I think Vingegaard fans are naturally looking for some reason to see light at the end of the tunnel but the really bizarre inexplicable thing yesterday was Vinge reaching out to Pog for a handshake as they crossed the line. It's stage 10. They didn't even duel, Vinge never attacked and the high mountains haven't even started; yet and there he was re-enacting old cycling imagery of la paix des braves (like Lance & Ullrich or others before them) before the real hostilities even begin.

So what was that? Unless he used an unclean hand to get Pogi ill over the coming days I really don't get what that was all about.

Yeah that was cringeworthy, Vinge seem incredibly unsure of himself which is baffling considering he is 2 time Tdf winner. Mentally Pog has a very big advantage over Vinge says amateur psycholog Skalman

 

[Kedjan]

Bjarne Riis with some criticism.

"After the stage, Jonas could hardly contain himself, saying he was feeling 'insanely strong'. To me, that rings a little hollow when he didn’t make a single attempt to put Pogacar under pressure," says Riis. "You simply can’t claim to be flying and then not attack. In my view, that’s a mistake. It also falls a bit flat when, as Team Visma | Lease a Bike did, you hype up the stage as wild and spectacular – only for absolutely nothing to happen in the end."

"Frankly, I’m disappointed to hear Jonas talk about how strong he’s feeling without backing it up with action. He needs to believe he can survive a counter-attack from Pogacar. But right now, it doesn’t look like he dares to test it," he continues. "Just the other day, I explained how Jonas needs to take risks – that he must be willing to lose seconds in pursuit of gaining minutes. Maybe he would have lost 10 seconds trying to attack Pogacar – but at least he would have forced him to dig deep."

"Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying it was a mistake for Jonas not to attack. It only becomes a mistake when he then claims he was feeling fantastic. From where I’m sitting, Vingegaard simply doesn’t have much of a choice at the moment. As long as Pogacar is in this kind of form, there’s no beating him," Riis clarifies. "The only logical explanation I can see for Jonas not attacking is that he didn’t want to expose himself – and it does make sense to conserve energy. He’s clearly betting on being able to make a difference in the final week. That’s a valid strategy, and we’ll just have to be patient back home in our living rooms."

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[Krzysztof_O]

If Vingo really felt that well and didn't attack it means that he lacked confidence to test Pogacar. He was afraid of a counterattack. Obviously he'll have to attack at some point anyway, the GC situation is forcing him to. Good for Visma there are plenty of opportunities left (5 HC MTFs is an anomaly).