Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Salvarani]

I think he knew far in advance it wouldn't be feasable to be good here so he opted out of Rwanda, said yes to the Euro's to appease the national coach and checked the "represent Denmark" off his list.

It's not like Almeida, who was his main rival in the Vuelta, set the world on fire at this Euro's.

For Rwanda he could have still kept the form and not go home to sit on the couch, that was his first mistake. Kind of shocking to turn down the chance at Rwanda to do this here at Euros. He shouldnt do something only to appease, I think showing up like this makes him look bad. It would have been better to have been honest that he didnt want to race WC or EC, even though that decision is disappointing from a rider like him.

Almeida was sick and withdrew shortly before the ITT because of feeling under the weather. He said he was unsure on his chances before the road race because of it. I think that is different, rather than someone who did not prepare and didnt really want to race from the beginning.

 

[Cycling111]

In that sense, he's just like Froome. In one-day races, he wasn't even one of the top 50 riders. It's curious, because other riders, even though they're not in their best race, still doing decent performances.

Maybe it's because he suffers from a mental disconnect outside of stage races. He can't just suddenly be so physically mediocre.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think he knew far in advance it wouldn't be feasable to be good here so he opted out of Rwanda, said yes to the Euro's to appease the national coach and checked the "represent Denmark" off his list.

It's not like Almeida, who was his main rival in the Vuelta, set the world on fire at this Euro's.

Yes, he did the EC to please the Denmark coach after skipping Rwanda (which was logistically too complicated to bother in his current form).

 

[Krzysztof_O]

In that sense, he's just like Froome. In one-day races, he wasn't even one of the top 50 riders. It's curious, because other riders, even though they're not in their best race, still doing decent performances.

Just give him Tour legs and he won't be distanced in the middle of a mountainous race, will he? It was 100% form reason yesterday (not race specificity). I still see him as a contender in hilly/mountainous one-day races if his form allows. His problem might be maintaining intensity in a 250 km race but after this year's early stages at Tour/Dauphine there should be no doubts that he can handle shorter hilly races very well.

 

[Cycling111]

Just give him Tour legs and he won't be distanced in the middle of a mountainous race, will he? It was 100% form reason yesterday (not race specificity). I still see him as a contender in hilly/mountainous one-day races if his form allows. His problem might be maintaining intensity in a 250 km race but after this year's early stages at Tour/Dauphine there should be no doubts that he can handle shorter hilly races very well.

But there are many riders whose class is still evident even if they're not in shape, and they don't always fall behind a pack of 80 in the same one-day races.

Vingegaard's results in Liège and Lombardy are very mediocre. Only a top-20 finish in Liège is a classy result. It's not something exceptional yesterday.
Froome was similar in all those one-day races.

Vingegaard wasn't in shape in Algarve, but he won the race with the bare minimum.

The curious thing is that yesterday's performance wasn't exceptional. 90% of his one-day races have been disastrous.
Liège is in a period of the season where Vingegaard usually performs well in a stage race, but not in Liège 🤔. It's curious.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

But there are many riders whose class is still evident even if they're not in shape, and they don't always fall behind a pack of 80 in the same one-day races.

Vingegaard's results in Liège and Lombardy are very mediocre. Only a top-20 finish in Liège is a classy result. It's not something exceptional yesterday.
Froome was similar in all those one-day races.

Vingegaard wasn't in shape in the Algarve, but he won the race with the bare minimum.

Vingegaard never really peaked for one-day races (keep in mind that he won one in this area a few years back though). He simply prioritized stage-races (his strongest side) but he showed great level in high-intensity early "classics" stages of the Tour/Dauphine, being on par with the best classics riders: Pogacar and MVP.

Maybe Liege and Lombardy are indeed too long for him but I'd like to see him prepared well for them at least once (he should take a shot at Fleche + Liege one season). I see no reason for him not to be a contender in a 200-km long hilly/mountainous race.

 

[Cycling111]

Vingegaard never really peaked for one-day races (keep in mind that he won one in this area a few years back though). He simply prioritized stage-races (his strongest side) but he showed great level in high-intensity early "classics" stages of the Tour/Dauphine, being on par with the best classics riders: Pogacar and MVP.

Maybe Liege and Lombardy are indeed too long for him but I'd like to see him prepared well for them at least once (he should take a shot at Fleche + Liege one season). I see no reason for him not to be a contender in a 200-km long hilly/mountainous race.

But Liège is during a period in which he's in good shape, and his results are still very poor.

The top 20 was in Lombardy; I wrote it wrong

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Not really strange. I actually expected his poor showing. He has zero form right now, 3 weeks after completing exhausting GT double. He said he was too tired to train and prepare properly for this one.

In that case it was without a question a pick by Mørkøv at amateurism level.