Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Moose McKnuckles]

Vingo's literally saying he's did "the ride of a lifetime" on PdB, Pog saying Vingo did the same on Stage 11, but some people here just cannot bring themselves to accept that Vingo was at his best at least on those stages.
What exactly were you people expecting Vingo to do on PdB? Beat Pantani by FOUR minutes? Fire lightning bolts from his arse? What?

 

[Salvarani]

Vingo's literally saying he's did "the ride of a lifetime" on PdB, Pog saying Vingo did the same on Stage 11, but some people here just cannot bring themselves to accept that Vingo was at his best at least on those stages.
What exactly were you people expecting Vingo to do on PdB? Beat Pantani by FOUR minutes? Fire lightning bolts from his arse? What?

Vinge was at his best and threw everything he had on PdB. Crash or no crash.

Now it is more of a mental collapse we are seeing. Evidently by the images today.

He is taking it hard.

 

[Froome]

Vingo's literally saying he's did "the ride of a lifetime" on PdB, Pog saying Vingo did the same on Stage 11, but some people here just cannot bring themselves to accept that Vingo was at his best at least on those stages.
What exactly were you people expecting Vingo to do on PdB? Beat Pantani by FOUR minutes? What?

He wasn't at his best in neither case, and pushing big numbers on Plateau de beille is not any indication of that due to some clinical issues.

The signals were all there, lack of explosion, trouble in long climbs, he weighs even less because he lost a lot of muscular mass. I overestimated a lot what he could do on this Tour, but that's natural being super emotional and have a BIAS when you talk about your favourite rider.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

He wasn't at his best in neither case, and pushing big numbers on Plateau de beille is not any indication of that due to some clinical issues.

The signals were all there, lack of explosion, trouble in long climbs, he weighs even less because he lost a lot of muscular mass. I overestimated a lot what he could do on this Tour, but that's natural being super emotional and have a BIAS when you talk about your favourite rider.

Yeah, it's probably hard for any of us to shed all the bias in favour of our favorite teams, riders, players, etc. Fans develop a very emotional investment in sport. It's often hard to admit when a rival athlete or team is actually better.
In the end, it doesn't matter. It just gives us fodder for message board discussion until the next race.

 

[Divergence]

Personally, in race situations where I have gone deep ... like really, really deep, as deep as I could physically go ... I find profound and surprising emotional experiences. There was one such race where at the finish merely thinking about my daughters (my family was not there) prompted overwhelming emotions and I started crying. I guess some folks here would tell me I should be embarrassed by that and I'm a girly-man or something, but I just found it to be an interesting part of being human.

No shame in crying. Many sportsmen cry, e.g., after missing a penalty in a penalty shootout. Roglic was almost crying after he lost the TdF. It is part of being a human. However in all of these situations their teammates were the ones consoling them. It is sports after all. And I figured they went home and cried in their wife's lap for a week. But at the line right after the stage... come on...

Seriously; not sure you know what a man is. Considering how much pain it took to get here the final recognition that his best is gone for this year. It's possible he'll struggle to ever get it back.

Yes, very much so. He can lick his wounds until next year and be all emotional all he wants. But as I said above doing it at the line is not a good look in my opinion. You are at a sports event, be a sportsmen.

 

[Oldermanish]

No shame in crying. Many sportsmen cry, e.g., after missing a penalty in a penalty shootout. Roglic was almost crying after he lost the TdF. It is part of being a human. However in all of these situations their teammates were the ones consoling them. It is sports after all. And I figured they went home and cried in their wife's lap for a week. But at the line right after the stage... come on...

Yes, very much so. He can lick his wounds until next year and be all emotional all he wants. But as I said above doing it at the line is not a good look in my opinion. You are at a sports event, be a sportsmen.

At least we know where you stand.
How does your wife feel about the situation?

 

[Divergence]

At least we know where you stand.
How does your wife feel about the situation?

Excellent response.

 

[Stubb]

Well, I feel for the guy, he did his best and maybe more but he found the best rider of this generation in perfect shape and with a far superior team, no shame in defeat given the circumstances.
If this tour prelude to a new merckx era, may he be gimondi, or maybe a better one, he already proved it!

 

[jmdirt]

Keep fighting JV!

I smell insecurity in this thread...

 

[Rob5091]

When Vingegaard crashed back in April, I thought there was no way he'd do the Tour as his injuries were too severe. He duly turned up and began promisingly but like Pogacar last year, the lack of preparation he would have planned to do, has come back to haunt him. It was almost a medical miracle he started the Tour in such decent form, but the Tour is an attritional competition and weaknesses will out - even if you produce your best ever numbers on certain days.
Visma, I suppose had no real other option then risk Vingegaard, unless they would go just stage hunting, but even that was difficult as WvA was not 100% either.

 

[velaso montador]

He wasn't at his best in neither case, and pushing big numbers on Plateau de beille is not any indication of that due to some clinical issues.

The signals were all there, lack of explosion, trouble in long climbs, he weighs even less because he lost a lot of muscular mass. I overestimated a lot what he could do on this Tour, but that's natural being super emotional and have a BIAS when you talk about your favourite rider.

Vingegaard saying he did his best ride ever, Visma saying he did his best rider ever, the numbers say he rode his best ride ever.

But you say otherwice this stuff is to good you just cant make it up this is hillarious

 

[velaso montador]

Pogacar is at a level never seen before in history its not a huge surprise for anyone it is what it is lets move on.

Grown men here I assume or women lets move on it is what it is.

 

[Bombarolo]

Vinge was at his best and threw everything he had on PdB. Crash or no crash.

Now it is more of a mental collapse we are seeing. Evidently by the images today.

He is taking it hard.

I think the lack of preparation simply doesn't allow him to go 100% every stage. He had excellent days but also difficult ones, exactly like Pogacar last year.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Excellent response.

Didn’t even answer the question though

 

[slim charles]

Imho what he is doing is simply disgusting. Go congratulate Pog, share a few thought after the stage and then, by all means, go cry in your wife's lap (nothing wrong with that). But at the line... Come on...

This is hands down the weirdest comment I've read on the forum to date. Wow.

 

[yaco]

I am sure you understand the difference between soigneurs and partners...
Secondly, team mantes consoling one after a sporting defeat is normal, human, sportsmanlike. Being in need of your wife at the line is just so ugh...

I wonder how much of the TDF coverage you have watched. There has been lots of crying by riders after the finish line, whether they win or lose.

 

[RedheadDane]

I wonder how much of the TDF coverage you have watched. There has been lots of crying by riders after the finish line, whether they win or lose.

But don't you see? As long as it's teammates and soigneurs doing the consoling, then it's okay...

I'm sure he's not the first rider whose SO was there to offer comfort after a defeat.

 

[dazaau]

Vingo's literally saying he's did "the ride of a lifetime" on PdB, Pog saying Vingo did the same on Stage 11, but some people here just cannot bring themselves to accept that Vingo was at his best at least on those stages.
What exactly were you people expecting Vingo to do on PdB? Beat Pantani by FOUR minutes? Fire lightning bolts from his arse? What?

 

[Divergence]

I wonder how much of the TDF coverage you have watched. There has been lots of crying by riders after the finish line, whether they win or lose.

If all of you (as in all the fanboys here) do not understand the difference between, e.g., Campenaerts and Vinge then you are blinded by the fact you are rooting for the guy. Vinge does this after every stage, he has to say dumb and passive aggressive *** like I did it for my daughter and so on. He seems to be the most fragile man in the history of cycling and imho it is not a good look. Of course, as I said before, he can do whatever he wants, but it does not make a fan out of me.
I will not reply anymore I hope you lot enjoyed while it lasted.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Wario didn’t deserve that.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

If all of you (as in all the fanboys here) do not understand the difference between, e.g., Campenaerts and Vinge then you are blinded by the fact you are rooting for the guy. Vinge does this after every stage, he has to say dumb and passive aggressive *** like I did it for my daughter and so on. He seems to be the most fragile man in the history of cycling and imho it is not a good look. Of course, as I said before, he can do whatever he wants, but it does not make a fan out of me.
I will not reply anymore I hope you lot enjoyed while it lasted.

I'm not sure how many who's taking part in this discussion qualifies as fanboys, or at least not in regards to Vingegaard. One is a Visma fan, but mostly supports Sepp Kuss, one is a Basque lover, one has a fondness for Danish riders, but also choses many of her favourites due to more weird or tragic reasons, and the latest responder is primarily a fan of Australian cycling and Team Jayco.

 

[Miha81]

If all of you (as in all the fanboys here) do not understand the difference between, e.g., Campenaerts and Vinge then you are blinded by the fact you are rooting for the guy. Vinge does this after every stage, he has to say dumb and passive aggressive *** like I did it for my daughter and so on. He seems to be the most fragile man in the history of cycling and imho it is not a good look. Of course, as I said before, he can do whatever he wants, but it does not make a fan out of me.
I will not reply anymore I hope you lot enjoyed while it lasted.

I am not Vinge fan but do not find anything wrong or passive agressive in his behaviour after stages. Every human being is different and I do not understand some fans holding against riders about how they express their emotions.

After all this guy spent all of his time since April crash to get back into winning shape only to be faced with brutal realisation that is simply not enough this year. Especially as numbers were probably encouraging and they actually considered winning it all. Kinda feel for him now.

 

[topcat]

It is possible to be a fan of a rider without talking trash about that rider's main rival. Pog has beaten Vingo. Pog and some of his fans want to rub it in. The shoe was on the other foot last year. I personally liked the crying at the end of yesterday's stage. He gave it everything and knew he had lost the tour. I'm not a fan of any of the top 3. I'm looking forward to the Olympic road race-I think it's going to be competitive.

 

[RedheadDane]

If he hadn't shown emotions, some people might have accused him of being "a cold and calculating Dane".

 

[Samu Cuenca]

If he hadn't shown emotions, some people might have accused him of being "a cold and calculating Dane".

And there are of course too many of them already.