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EnacheV said:We don't want to be accused that the lack of moderation and letting genius talibans making ridiculous claims without backup pushed a young man to suicide, don't we?
Please show me one post here making ridiculous claims towards Breyne before his suicide attempt.EnacheV said:We don't want to be accused that the lack of moderation and letting genius talibans making ridiculous claims without backup pushed a young man to suicide, don't we?
peloton said:What on earth are you on about?
Look at the amount he tested + for....
0,000000005 g/ml
http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/140225_breyne_tegenexpertise
So if he was tested 10 days later, he'd have the same concentration as AC?roundabout said:100 times higher for Breyne
roundabout said:100 times higher for Breyne
Netserk said:Please show me one post here making ridiculous claims towards Breyne before his suicide attempt.
Dazed and Confused said:I am trying to find the figure for Ovtcharov, but no luck so far. Just for ref.
peloton said:- China's Fuyu Li: 50-100 picograms on March 23
- Italy's Alessandro Colò: 200 picograms on April 25
- Spain's Alberto Contador: 50 picograms on July 21
- Germany's Dimitrij Ovtcharov: 75 picograms on September 22
Don't know the amount the acquitted Danish rider Nielsen tested + for
EnacheV said:It seems that the 99% number is very inflated.
Ill try to speak more slowly.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/breyne-says-internet-forum-comments-drove-him-to-suicide-attempt
Probably he is referring to other forums than CN because here nobody cared to much about it, Rogers as being ex-Sky took the full flak barrage.
However this forum has few other favorites, for example JTL, who got a very though treatment here, with exhaustive and final personal opinions presented as facts (want to digg them?).
Bottom point is that the level of "discussion" here is enough to drive some weaker mind cyclists to suicide. If that didn't happened yet is because favorite targets of CN clinic are not that weak mental (or sensible) as this guy.
But there is always time...
is complete BS.We don't want to be accused that the lack of moderation and letting genius talibans making ridiculous claims without backup pushed a young man to suicide, don't we?
Dazed and Confused said:In contrast Passaportador got nailed for 50 picograms. Anybody cares to put the zeros in and compare directly.
Netserk said:So if he was tested 10 days later, he'd have the same concentration as AC?
Catwhoorg said:Half life is 36-48 hours
Using 48 hours
2 days 2500 pg/ml
4 days 1250 pg/ml
6 days 625 pg/ml
8 days 312 pg/ml
10 days 156 pg/ml
12 days 78 pg/ml
14 days 39 pg/ml
For 36 hours, the list would be 1.5, 3, 4.5, 6, 7.5, 9, 10.5 days
So yes, 10-14 days for the clen to be down to AC's reported level
Netserk said:So you admit that this:
is complete BS.
Maybe the lab testing the test from the 9th couldn't detect so low concentrations?roundabout said:So tests positive in the 5th, wins stage on the 9th, presumably gets tested, but no mention that the test on the 9th is positive as well.
Catwhoorg said:Yes it possible to get ng/ml levels from a single meal.
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Merckx index said:Based on a urine concentration of 5 ng/ml, Breyne probaby ingested at least 50 ug, which, yes, should result in symptoms. Not necessarily feeling sick, but aware that something was going on. That's assuming he was tested within a day or two after ingestion; the estimated amount ingested would be higher if the elapsed time were longer.
Meat this heavily contaminated (ca. 150-250 ug/kg) is quite rare, at least in Mexico, where some studies have been done. I have a lot of trouble believing that meat like this would end up being served in a major hotel. However, one of the Mexican soccer players tested at 4.2 ng/ml, and got off on the contamination excuse.
His level four days later, when I understand he raced, would be roughly 5-6 times lower, or 1 ng/ml or less. The minimum sensitivity required of testing labs I believe is 2 ng/ml, so it's possible he was tested then and nothing was detected.