Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[thehog]

It's just a game called wind up.
Best just to score early and leave the stadium.

Well if your main argument was to use the the girls under 16 squad as a reason of JTLs/ Sky's innocence Id leave early as well.

What was all that about?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

That is something worth highlighting.

Why did it take for 7/8 months for it to be disclosed? Why was he allowed to race in the months afterwards when 3 experts flagged it up by February?

Strange.

Tadej Valjavec and Franco Pellizotti produced dubious biopass readings dating July 2009.

They weren't taken off the road until early May 2010, just before the Giro. Delfino raced Missouri, Friuli, Strade Bianche, Tirreno-Adriatico, Sanremo, Trentino, Liège and the GP Larciano between his dodgy values and his violation being publicised. Valjavec did the Tour de Pologne, the Vuelta, the Worlds, Emilia, the GP Beghelli, Lombardia, Haut Var, Insubria, Paris-Nice, Catalunya and Trentino.

Realistically, that's not too dissimilar to the timescale for JTL.

 

[Nathan12]

Why would Sky have doped Tiernan-Locke? There's an A-team at Sky. T-L wouldn't have been part of that. Sky guilty of negligence here, I think.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

IMO Sky have a don't ask don't tell policy. Get good or get out.

No team doping. Riders score fat contracts and then coast.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Well if "the girls" trained in Tenerife with Sky then maybe you're onto something.

Sadly context is everything here; trained with Sky since March 2012 and turned up with a Kerrison Sky Powermeter.

And please, not "girls", women. It's not 1972.

Actually various BC folk have been know to attend camps with Sky. Trackies, and women. Not sure about the paracyclers.

The Tri Brownlee brothers have also been seen with them

 

[thehog]

http://road.cc/content/news/119640-...ys-delay-bio-passport-hearing-isn’t-his-fault

It was after that Tour of Britain win that Tiernan-Locke, then riding for Endura Racing, first began undergoing regular blood testing. Endura insists that in the period in question he was training under Sky’s supervision before joining them.

Interesting quote here from Endura that JTL was under Sky's "supervision" during the alleged doping.

Find it hard how JTL would have doped alone whilst training with Sky. Let's hope the real story comes out.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Why would Sky have doped Tiernan-Locke? There's an A-team at Sky. T-L wouldn't have been part of that. Sky guilty of negligence here, I think.

I think the question is, why would they stop doping him when he got to Sky. There is a clear case of trying to get the story to fit narratives that are anti-sky here, like Hog's dull insistence, when the facts point more towards an rider doping independently (if he was at all) of either Endura or Sky, gets himself a good contract and then knocked it off.

Sky were stupid to sign him, only the rabid would accuse Sky of actually having a hand in it before he signed for them, then stopped him doping when he did.

 

[thehog]

Signed with Sky and his suspicious test were out of line with his baseline values that were established in the months after. That's when he was officially at Sky.

If he went to Garmin who said they had no suspicions after their own testing, he still would have likely been in that worlds team.

His results were nothing to write home about in the month in Feb in a period where testing was done on him. It was the same in the months afterwards even though the case wasn't announced publicly. His performances were pitiful.

http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/former-endura-manager-defends-tiernan-locke

Sky looked after him at Worlds then the process started at their off season training camp. What happened during Sky training camps, I don't know

Brian Smith appears in the dark on what Sky were up to. Interesting it was Sky and not BC preparing JTL for the worlds.

 

[Franklin]

Sky were stupid to sign him, only the rabid would accuse Sky of actually having a hand in it before he signed for them, then stopped him doping when he did.

That doesn't fly Jimy. There's plenty of reason to wonder about the whole deal.

Also, 'Sky were stupid to sign him" is not the first time we could say that. After how many times is it still"stupid?

 

[MartinGT]

I dont think we will ever hear the truth on this.

Why would UKAD lie about the delay? Doesnt make sense at all.

 

[thehog]

I dont think we will ever hear the truth on this.

Why would UKAD lie about the delay? Doesnt make sense at all.

I agree. All the players have a lot to lose. If JTL goes down he might start to sing after a few months. But I'd expect a exit package from Sky for his silence.

 

[gooner]

I think the question is, why would they stop doping him when he got to Sky. There is a clear case of trying to get the story to fit narratives that are anti-sky here, like Hog's dull insistence, when the facts point more towards an rider doping independently (if he was at all) of either Endura or Sky, gets himself a good contract and then knocked it off.

Sky were stupid to sign him, only the rabid would accuse Sky of actually having a hand in it before he signed for them, then stopped him doping when he did.

Pretty much agree with the bolded.

 

[Race Radio]

Why would Sky have doped Tiernan-Locke? .

Didn't you hear? Brailsford named JTL as leader for the Worlds 6 months prior to the race.

 

[thehog]

Pretty much agree with the bolded.

Sky weren't stupid to sign him at all. They trained him to a ToB title & very good WC result.

Sky trained, tested, signed & prepared him. That's not stupid. That's smart.

Try before you buy & clearly he was a good responder to the types of activities at the Sky training camp that Brian Smith his manger is unaware of.

 

[Race Radio]

Sky weren't stupid to sign him at all. They trained him to a ToB title & very good WC result.

Sky trained, tested, signed & prepared him. That's not stupid. That's smart.

Try before you buy & clearly he was a good responder to the types of activities at the Sky training camp that Brian Smith his manger is unaware of.

....and then as soon as he puts on a Team Sky jersey he sucked. That kit is like kryptonite for some.

 

[Benotti69]

....and then as soon as he puts on a Team Sky jersey he sucked. That kit is like kryptonite for some.

Which raises more questions about Sky.

 

[thehog]

....and then as soon as he puts on a Team Sky jersey he sucked. That kit is like kryptonite for some.

Agreed. I think Kerrison may have broken him as he became ill. And longer races.

Endura are clear on what occurred.

Endura’s statement read: “JTL joined Endura Racing in January 2012 and, when it became clear he had World Tour potential, was made available to Team Garmin-Sharp in April [Sky claim this was in March] for physiological tests. No adverse results were reported back. He then accompanied Team Sky on their Tenerife training camp in May [Sky claim this was in April]. Team Sky had full access to JTL from the point it was agreed for him to train with them at this camp. This includes the period covering the last quarter of 2012.

 

[Race Radio]

Which raises more questions about Sky.

Agreed. Kimmage asked the question, why did marginal gains only work on 2-3 riders? It still is a good question as Sky has spent millions and outside of a couple guys they have massively under-performed.......but that is for another thread.

This thread is about JTL being put on the full Sky program a year before he is on the team, then suddenly sucking when he put on the kit. I blame Rapha

 

[Race Radio]

Agreed. I think Kerrison may have broken him as he became ill. And longer races.

Endura are clear on what occurred.

OK, so now I am confused. You say JTL was on the full Sky program. Training camps, secret potions, etc. for 2012. As you say they found him to be a super responder to this program. He had a great year using their program, attending their training camps, getting their marginal gains......but as soon as he swaps an Endura Jersey for a Team Sky jersey he sucks.

Yeah, that makes sense. I blame Rapha

 

[thehog]

OK, so now I am confused. You say JTL was on the full Sky program. Training camps, secret potions, etc. for 2012. As you say they found him to be a super responder to this program. He had a great year using their program, attending their training camps, getting their marginal gains......but as soon as he swaps an Endura Jersey for a Team Sky jersey he sucks.

Yeah, that makes sense. I blame Rapha

Good point & no need to be confused.

Both Sky and JTL put it down to sickness. Remember he was coming from ProCont and not another ProTour team. Even Froome took a year to get going. It wasn't instant for him, yes? Agreed. Wiggins as well. 2010 was poor compared to 2011 and boom times. 2012.

So not sure your theory washes here.

An inability to deal with the increased workload placed on him by Sky coach Shaun Stephens, which Tiernan-Locke says he followed “to the letter,” led to concerns that the Epstein-Barr virus he had suffered from earlier in his career might have resurfaced, however a Sky medical gave the all clear.

“We’re all disappointed with JTL’s year, none more so than he is,” Stephens told CW. “Its just difficult that we can’t string three or four weeks of consistent training together before he either gets sick or gets saddle sores or that sort of thing.”

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-tiernan-locke-down-after-sickly-season-26381

 

[Race Radio]

Even Froome took a year to get going. It wasn't instant for him, yes? Agreed. Wiggins as well. 2010 was poor compared to 2011 and boom times. 2012.

Still confused. You said when he was under Sky's program in 2012 it was clear to Sky he was a super responder. It didn't take him a year, he performed right away. 2012. On the Sky Program. No problems......until he put on the Team Sky kit, then it all went downhill fast

 

[thehog]

Still confused. You said when he was under Sky's program in 2012 it was clear to Sky he was a super responder. It didn't take him a year, he performed right away. 2012. On the Sky Program. No problems......until he put on the Team Sky kit, then it all went downhill fast

Wiggins Garmin 2009 under Ellingsworth compared to 2010 is a good example when Wiggo first put on the Sky kit.

Froome 2009 Baroworld some ok/decent results to his terrible Sky 2010 and first half of 2011 in Sky kit & had bad results.

Think you'll agree JTL is basically following the Sky progression to a tee. Maybe it's an adjustment period to the Kerrison training regime? I heard it's tough.

It's a worthy question though. Thanks for asking but the theory is not following factual events.

 

[Race Radio]

the theory is not following factual events.

Agreed. The theory that JTL was chosen as leader of the Worlds team in April 2012, then put on the full Sky program, does not follow actual events

 

[thehog]

Agreed. The theory that JTL was chosen as leader of the Worlds team in April 2012, then put on the full Sky program, does not follow actual events

I think the facts speak for themselves. They are what they are.

Maybe Moncoutie doped JTL?

Best you and I leave the discussion here as I'm not sure you really want to have meaningful dialogue. Appears like baiting to me.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Appears like baiting to me.

I think that might be a red herring.