Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[stutue]

Its all in the training

 

[thehog]

But if they did, surely they would fail better than anyone else, no?

Had to be a good reason for Sky keeping JTL sweet. Assume he holds a fair degree of information that will be used to banter his exit from Sky.

Probably see him working construction on the new training house in Nice. Oli will be barking the orders.

 

[scholar]

That is the key point that you haven't understood.

Sky don't do failed doping.

Thanks for reminding me why I don't usually bother contributing here. The Clinic: the place people go when they don't want to care about the distinction between fact and conjecture.

 

[stutue]

'Assume' and 'rumour'.

Two of your favorite words.

 

[Granville57]

Probably see him working construction on the new training house in Nice.

"What's in the 'Ventoux'?"

"Two shots of espresso over honey."

"Any caffeine in that?"

"Nope, just two shots of espresso."

"I'll take it!"

 

[JimmyFingers]

I think when it comes to doping. And using Ferrari and Fuentes as examples; there were several riders doping from different teams.

The fact that JTL rode for Endura and was training in Tenerife with Sky is a massive red flag.

Considering Brailsford signed him off the back of those training sessions and tests and for JTL to later have blood anomalies is of great concern.

They weren't Endura training camps. Endura could barely afford the kit on JTL's back!

If doping has occurred I'd look towards Sky and Brailsford.

That last line is hilarious. Of course you would. The rest is desperate, the usual license taken with the facts.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

"What's in the 'Ventoux'?"

"Two shots of espresso over honey."

"Any caffeine in that?"

"Nope, just two shots of espresso."

"I'll take it!"

Hah!

Do you have any recollection of when / where Froome admitted to being a caffeine free athlete? I went looking but could not find it....

 

[Granville57]

Do you have any recollection of when / where Froome admitted to being a caffeine free athlete? I went looking but could not find it....

Prior to this? Dunno.

Froome is not a fan of taking anything on the bike. ‘People do take caffeine pills and painkillers in races,’ he says. ‘I don’t take anything like that on the bike.

‘On mountain stages, I prepare my own bottle that contains two espressos and a lot of sugar or honey, which does me just fine.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2637642/CHRIS-FROOME-EXCLUSIVE-Who-needs-drugs-I-mountains-fuelled-espresso.html

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Prior to this? Dunno.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2637642/CHRIS-FROOME-EXCLUSIVE-Who-needs-drugs-I-mountains-fuelled-espresso.html

omfg I did not realise he said that in the same fricken article. Did the journo just sit there with a dazed expression on their face?

 

[Granville57]

omfg I did not realise he said that in the same fricken article.

In consecutive paragraphs no less.

(More suited to the Froome thread, so if a mod wants to move...)

 

[thehog]

That last line is hilarious. Of course you would. The rest is desperate, the usual license taken with the facts.

Are you suggesting it's an Endura problem? A team which couldn't even afford clothing was running a JTL doping program?

Surely not. That's preposterous. The sort of doping JTL was doing required Sky like funding. Endura is not doping it's cyclists. That's absurd.

Or maybe JTL bought EPO in the McDonalds carpark in Leeds?

Come on Jimmy. Pull the the other one.

 

[Will Carter]

Prior to this? Dunno.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2637642/CHRIS-FROOME-EXCLUSIVE-Who-needs-drugs-I-mountains-fuelled-espresso.html

Slight off topic but what kind of level are we talking about in these caffeine pills? I mean does 1 pill = 10 Espressos or anything like that?

Personally I can't see 2 Espressos doing much (they didn't for me the other morning )

 

[Will Carter]

A pie in the Sky.

Technically thats a British Cycling kit not a Team Sky kit. You'll see Cavendish and Millar in them too = doesn't mean they work for Team Sky, although I will accept that BC & Team Sky are heavily intertwined.

 

[Nathan12]

Technically thats a British Cycling kit not a Team Sky kit. You'll see Cavendish and Millar in them too = doesn't mean they work for Team Sky, although I will accept that BC & Team Sky are heavily intertwined.

How quaint.

 

[Benotti69]

Technically thats a British Cycling kit not a Team Sky kit. You'll see Cavendish and Millar in them too = doesn't mean they work for Team Sky, although I will accept that BC & Team Sky are heavily intertwined.

BC and Sky, the difference is viewed with a microscope......

 

[thehog]

Technically thats a British Cycling kit not a Team Sky kit. You'll see Cavendish and Millar in them too = doesn't mean they work for Team Sky, although I will accept that BC & Team Sky are heavily intertwined.

I'm squinting and I can see Sky 3 times in the top half of the jersey and maybe British Cycling in there somewhere.... I think.

But he's riding for Endura, yes? Separate management and training squad from Sky?

Think he's wearing an Endura helmet.

 

[pmcg76]

I think when it comes to doping. And using Ferrari and Fuentes as examples; there were several riders doping from different teams.

The fact that JTL rode for Endura and was training in Tenerife with Sky is a massive red flag.

Considering Brailsford signed him off the back of those training sessions and tests and for JTL to later have blood anomalies is of great concern.

They weren't Endura training camps. Endura could barely afford the kit on JTL's back!

If doping has occurred I'd look towards Sky and Brailsford.

That is just silly, the massive red flag was when he came from nowhere to win two early season races which he dominated, as well as putting Quintana on the ropes at Murcia where he finished 2nd.

The red flag was there long before he went on any SKY training camp. Now you can argue SKY should have taken the same view(and I won't query it) but clearly they saw a big potential British star and clearly tapped him up thereafter.

Did JTL suddenly improve when he started working with SKY? No, his performances were exactly in line with what happened before SKY. Whatever doping JTL might have done started well before he was ever connected with SKY so why you are so desperate to paint SKY as the evil geniuses, I have no idea other than the usual obvious baiting and trolling.

 

[Will Carter]

I'm squinting and I can see Sky 3 times in the top half of the jersey and maybe British Cycling in there somewhere.... I think.

But he's riding for Endura, yes? Separate management and training squad from Sky?

Think he's wearing an Endura helmet.

I never said they weren't intertwined - but the picture you show is of a British rider riding in the British kit, just as someone else showed Millar. And as far as I remember Sky sponsored the BC team (long) before Team Sky came to fruition which is why you can see Sky on there ...

 

[Will Carter]

How quaint.

No need to be rude ...

 

[Nathan12]

No need to be rude ...

Sorry. It's that points seem to be being rehashed that we've already covered/know about.

 

[Will Carter]

Sorry. It's that points seem to be being rehashed that we've already covered/know about.

Fair enough. Maybe I missed someone point those things out, apologies if that is the case.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Technically thats a British Cycling kit not a Team Sky kit. You'll see Cavendish and Millar in them too = doesn't mean they work for Team Sky, although I will accept that BC & Team Sky are heavily intertwined.

Nothing technical about it. It is the British cycling kit.
So, by hog logic, all the girls and the para cyclists ride for Team Sky, as well.
(although that could have been the girls riding in last year's WCs...........)

 

[thehog]

Nothing technical about it. It is the British cycling kit.
So, by hog logic, all the girls and the para cyclists ride for Team Sky, as well.
(although that could have been the girls riding in last year's WCs...........)

Well if "the girls" trained in Tenerife with Sky then maybe you're onto something.

Sadly context is everything here; trained with Sky since March 2012 and turned up with a Kerrison Sky Powermeter.

And please, not "girls", women. It's not 1972.

 

[Will Carter]

Well if "the girls" trained in Tenerife with Sky then maybe you're onto something.

Sadly context is everything here; trained with Sky since March 2012 and turned up with a Kerrison Sky Powermeter.

And please, not "girls", women. It's not 1972.

Do you have the links to the Tenerife training? It would be remiss of me not to look at the stories before commenting.

*EDIT - sure its on here somewhere, just haven't mastered the search properly.

 

[thehog]

Do you have the links to the Tenerife training? It would be remiss of me not to look at the stories before commenting.

*EDIT - sure its on here somewhere, just haven't mastered the search properly.

Somewhere? Like 2 pages ago! With quotes.


http://www.inthegc.com/2012/04/jonathan-tiernan-locke-trained-with.html?m=1

http://roadcyclinguk.com/racing/jonathan-tiernan-locke-team-sky-interview-2202.html