Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[Ferminal]

Spoken like someone who doesn't watch cycling.

 

[thehog]

Spoken like someone who doesn't watch cycling.

There's a huge step up from 2.1 races to ProTour.

The supposed "dip" in form was going from 150km stages to 250km 5-7 stage long races.

Tour Méditerranéen longest stage was 135km! The final stage was 77km!

Are you telling me that's Paris-Nice? Surely not.

Of course the British bots had talked JTL up winning GTs because he won a 2.1 race. He never was going to win a GT drugs or no drugs.

I'm amazed at the amateur hour analysis on this forum sometimes. It's laughable.

 

[ebandit]

amateur hour

There's a huge step up from 2.1 races to ProTour.

Of course the British bots had talked JTL up winning GTs because he won a 2.1 race. He never was going to win a GT drugs or no drugs.

I'm amazed at the amateur hour analysis on this forum sometimes. It's laughable.

but it were a big step up for jtl to win those events

predictions of jtl winning numerous times at liege etc was all a big joke

maybe you will get it yet..............meanwhile...........keep on amusing us all

Mark L

 

[simo1733]

There's a huge step up from 2.1 races to ProTour.

The supposed "dip" in form was going from 150km stages to 250km 5-7 stage long races.

Tour Méditerranéen longest stage was 135km! The final stage was 77km!

Are you telling me that's Paris-Nice? Surely not.

Of course the British bots had talked JTL up winning GTs because he won a 2.1 race. He never was going to win a GT drugs or no drugs.

I'm amazed at the amateur hour analysis on this forum sometimes. It's laughable.

He seemed to cope with the worlds ok.

 

[IndianCyclist]

There's a huge step up from 2.1 races to ProTour.

The supposed "dip" in form was going from 150km stages to 250km 5-7 stage long races.

Tour Méditerranéen longest stage was 135km! The final stage was 77km!

Are you telling me that's Paris-Nice? Surely not.

Of course the British bots had talked JTL up winning GTs because he won a 2.1 race. He never was going to win a GT drugs or no drugs.

I'm amazed at the amateur hour analysis on this forum sometimes. It's laughable.

Essentially which also makes Sky stupid as they recruited him maybe without testing for such things.

 

[Ferminal]

but it were a big step up for jtl to win those events

predictions of jtl winning numerous times at liege etc was all a big joke

maybe you will get it yet..............meanwhile...........keep on amusing us all

Mark L

Yeh, people who actually watched the Haut Var stage all realised that it was one of the most devastating performances ever seen in February. At that stage no one knew his upper limit especially when he was trading with Quintana a couple of weeks later.

 

[thehog]

but it were a big step up for jtl to win those events

predictions of jtl winning numerous times at liege etc was all a big joke

maybe you will get it yet..............meanwhile...........keep on amusing us all

Mark L

Big step up from what?

He was the amateur Haut Var winner before became ill. Rode U-23 Worlds in 2004.

Isn't that a natural progression?

Froome went from Atomic Jock Race to 2nd at the Vuelta and that's natural?

JTL had already won the amateur version of the same race. That's a lot more normal.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Spoken like someone who doesn't watch cycling.

So much said in so few words

 

[thehog]

Yeh, people who actually watched the Haut Var stage all realised that it was one of the most devastating performances ever seen in February. At that stage no one knew his upper limit especially when he was trading with Quintana a couple of weeks later.

True. But who did he win Haut Var win against? French espores?

The Vuelta Murcia against Quintana was shortened to two stages! From its original five. One stage and a 12km TT.

I'm not sure "trading blows" in a two day stage race in March really a correct assessment.

Did you see the climb?

 

[thehog]

So much said in so few words

Will you swear at me this time?

I assume Froome progression is normal and JTL not only because he was caught for doping?

 

[zigmeister]

Yeh, people who actually watched the Haut Var stage all realised that it was one of the most devastating performances ever seen in February. At that stage no one knew his upper limit especially when he was trading with Quintana a couple of weeks later.

"Devastating"??? What do you mean by that? Extraordinary? Amazing? Or sucked?

Because if the former...you should also star running down the entire OPQS team who has been killing it all season since February. Boonen?

 

[thehog]

"Devastating"??? What do you mean by that? Extraordinary? Amazing? Or sucked?

Because if the former...you should also star running down the entire OPQS team who has been killing it all season since February. Boonen?

Yes it was January, freezing cold and JTL beat some French guys called Julien. That's how devastating it was. It was a small but steep climb on some lonely roads in France and somehow it became Ventoux!

 

[deviant]

Quote:

This prompted a call from Team Sky, what was it like to be approached by them?


Well I’d spoken to them throughout the year, I’d already signed a letter of intent around this time last year (April) I think. Straight away I went on a training camp with them to Tenerife with a few of the guys. I worked with one of the coaches Tim Kerrison and he was checking my data, they weren’t leaving anything to chance making sure the results weren’t a fluke, but they were happy with the numbers so that gave me a lot of confidence, which was good. I knew there was interest from them, but I just wanted to concentrate on my races and make sure my results didn’t slip.
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/...094313983.html



The part it bold tells you all you need to know, JTL was desperate for that Sky contract....what do you think was the most effective way to ensure his results didnt slip?

The fact that none of the three teams he was involved with at the time (Endura, Garmin and Sky) could find anything wrong with his readings suggests he was doping for some time prior to testing and also independently of these teams....once he made it to Pro Tour level and was subject to a bio passport, internal testing and out of competition testing he had to either stop or tone down his doping....and 'bingo' JTL gets busted as his figures now look weird.

If Sky were doping him why stop and see their rider fall foul of a suspected infringement?....if the team is taking care of doping (as much of the clinic seems to think) then surely they'd keep his levels consistent so as not to throw up any skewed readings?

The case has all the hallmarks of a rider in his late 20s having one last throw of the dice to land a Pro Tour contract and getting it very very wrong....but the increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories are great to read too!

 

[thehog]

The part it bold tells you all you need to know, JTL was desperate for that Sky contract....what do you think was the most effective way to ensure his results didnt slip?

The fact that none of the three teams he was involved with at the time (Endura, Garmin and Sky) could find anything wrong with his readings suggests he was doping for some time prior to testing and also independently of these teams....once he made it to Pro Tour level and was subject to a bio passport, internal testing and out of competition testing he had to either stop or tone down his doping....and 'bingo' JTL gets busted as his figures now look weird.

If Sky were doping him why stop and see their rider fall foul of a suspected infringement?....if the team is taking care of doping (as much of the clinic seems to think) then surely they'd keep his levels consistent so as not to throw up any skewed readings?

The case has all the hallmarks of a rider in his late 20s having one last throw of the dice to land a Pro Tour contract and getting it very very wrong....but the increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories are great to read too!

Truth be told, none or you know when he was doping or if he was doping. But it's funny it's being pushed away from Sky onto Endura.

He had a letter or intent from Sky and was training with then from April to September and lead the worlds.

His contract was safe. He even broke his collarbone and didn't ride for a while and was fine under Sky to get £400k a year.

Hardly desperate. Sounds to me Brailsford was the desperate one.

It's just that all the bots had talked JTL up as a Tour winner when all he'd done was win ToB and Haut-Vaar.

His Worlds effort was his best by far. Under Sky/BC. Fairly straight forward (and the time of his doping infraction).

 

[deviant]

Truth be told, none or you know when he was doping or if he was doping. But it's funny it's being pushed away from Sky onto Endura.

This can (and should) be said for virtually everything speculated on in the clinic...none of us know, we only have our suspicions, personal biases etc etc....

 

[Benotti69]

This can (and should) be said for virtually everything speculated on in the clinic...none of us know, we only have our suspicions, personal biases etc etc....

We have history, we have the same characters in the sport, same doctors, same DS, same soignuers all the same enablers of doping.

We cant know know the exact method of doping, but we know they are doping. But how i hear all the fan boys scream? The tests dont work, they are not tested often enough and the testers have always been a decade or so behind the latest PEDs and methods.

 

[thehog]

This can (and should) be said for virtually everything speculated on in the clinic...none of us know, we only have our suspicions, personal biases etc etc....

True.

But when one looks at the facts and details we do know and does it free of bais, one can come close to the truth.

Many of the bots have their minds made up. Trying to make it a sole JTL issue. And if cleared? I'm sure he'll be welcomed back, open arms to be the next winner of the Tour. If not? Dirty Endura rider...

 

[the sceptic]

True.

But when one looks at the facts and details we do know and does it free of bais, one can come close to the truth.

Many of the bots have their minds made up. Trying to make it a sole JTL issue. And if cleared? I'm sure he'll be welcomed back, open arms to be the next winner of the Tour. If not? Dirty Endura rider...

I thought the new bot program was to sit on the fence and have no opinion on anything. Havent really followed this thread though.

 

[thehog]

I thought the new bot program was to sit on the fence and have no opinion on anything. Havent really followed this thread though.

Yes, aggressively sit on the fence and attempt shut down all discussion.

I do find it funny that Froome is considered legit even though he has zero results before '11 Vuelta and an illness.

But JTL with good to excellent junior results, illness and good results again is a doper (until he joined Sky) and had this "dip" in form as he stepped up from 2.1 races to ProTour which means he "stopped" doping.

Going from 150km races to 250km 5+ day stages races and its a "dip" ! LOL!

Its like these people don't watch cycling and just read the results.

 

[deviant]

Bizarre, yet again Froome (or any other Sky rider) is brought into the discussion.... It's JTL who has a doping case to answer.

The term Skybot is thrown around with much back slapping and self congratulation but the anti Sky brigade are just as devout in their blinkered beliefs.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Bizarre, yet again Froome (or any other Sky rider) is brought into the discussion.... It's JTL who has a doping case to answer.

The term Skybot is thrown around with much back slapping and self congratulation but the anti Sky brigade are just as devout in their blinkered beliefs.

Except the "anti-sky brigade" were anti-Lance previously, and will be anti-anyone with ridiculous performances.

The skybots who defend non-Sky riders are few and far between.

Which kinda torpedos your point and sinks it beneath the waves of Sky PR koolaid.

 

[thehog]

Except the "anti-sky brigade" were anti-Lance previously, and will be anti-anyone with ridiculous performances.

The skybots who defend non-Sky riders are few and far between.

Which kinda torpedos your point and sinks it beneath the waves of Sky PR koolaid.

My favourite JTL-Skybot talking point and favorited by Gooner:

"This looks good for Sky because JTL must have stopped doping when he joined Sky in January 2013 because his performance dipped, meaning Sky don't tolerate anything untoward".

 

[ebandit]

give up

Yes, aggressively sit on the fence and attempt shut down all discussion.

so says the member who tried to harass me into not replying to their posts

hoggy go on rewrite history and continue to misrepresent the truth....you may not have been impressed by jtl's improved performances with endura but others were including team sky

remember those performances were the basis for joke exagerrated claims in prr as to jtl's golden future ahead

question remains was jtl doping? and who other than him knew the extent/details of that activity?

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

Bizarre, yet again Froome (or any other Sky rider) is brought into the discussion.... It's JTL who has a doping case to answer.

The term Skybot is thrown around with much back slapping and self congratulation but the anti Sky brigade are just as devout in their blinkered beliefs.

JTL is still a Sky rider.

 

[Avoriaz]

Yes, aggressively sit on the fence and attempt shut down all discussion.

I do find it funny that Froome is considered legit even though he has zero results before '11 Vuelta and an illness.

But JTL with good to excellent junior results, illness and good results again is a doper (until he joined Sky) and had this "dip" in form as he stepped up from 2.1 races to ProTour which means he "stopped" doping.

Going from 150km races to 250km 5+ day stages races and its a "dip" ! LOL!

Its like these people don't watch cycling and just read the results.

Are you still referring to Paris-Nice? You may need to go back a few years to find a 250km+ stage.