Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[happychappy]

I was wrong. The reigning Tour Champion could only place 8th in Haut-Var in 2010.

He's such a smug ****.

I'd forgotten how good JTL looked on the Haut-Var. Damn. Is there any footage of Dawg going up there in 2010?

 

[thehog]

He's such a smug ****.

I'd forgotten how good JTL looked on the Haut-Var. Damn. Is there any footage of Dawg going up there in 2010?

Watch this footage. Plenty "RFG" - Random French guys but see if you recognise the beautiful super efficient style of the guy coming in 8th!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILRoFPDDJo&sns=em

Not going sideways so there is an improvement since 2009.

And to think bots question JTLs progression but the Dawg is completely normal

 

[roundabout]

RFG in first actually has top-15 finishes in all 3 GTs.

 

[thehog]

RFG in first actually has top-15 finishes in all 3 GTs.

RFGs, they are everywhere! We can't stop them!

Interestingly back in 2012 JTL went to race Settimana Internazionale Coppi e Bartal, which was later in March and raced harder then the early season races and is 5 stages not 2, what happened?

JTL gets dropped and pulls out of the race. Endura actually got 2nd in the TTT which must mean Russell Downing is doping.

JTL won very early season races against RFGs and some PT riders who were putting a leg over the bike for the first time in a new season. There's absolutely no surprises for his form.

And when you consider his junior pedigree:

JTL is no stranger to racing on the continent, after starting out with French Amateur team U.V. Aube at the age of 18, he went on to race for CC Étupes in 2005 taking a win at GP de Rocheville, and reaching podiums on all ten of his first ten races.

(http://www.inthegc.com/2012/03/jon-tiernan-locke-to-strike-again.html)

Then what we all saw sounds to me like natural progression. And when he stepped up to big and better races he got dropped.

With the exception of the WC under Sky/BC where he rode out of his skin. And that's where his doping infraction came from.

 

[Ferminal]

lol, it'd be ok if it was trolling but I really pity the lack of knowledge.

 

[thehog]

lol, it'd be ok if it was trolling but I really pity the lack of knowledge.

Yes, sorry for providing links backing up the data I'm putting forth.

I guess I should just say he stopped doping when he joined Sky & stepped up a grade with no evidence to support the claim.

 

[Ferminal]

Except struggling to finish a race all year. So it's highly likely he did stop doping in 2013 (which was pretty evident early on unless you were a spastic who bought into whatever PR excuses came out). Who knows whether it was because he landed a sweet deal and wanted to cruise or didn't have the expertise to deal with the extra testing or had already been put on notice over his values.

But yeh, 63rd in Quebec > Dominating Haut Var and Med.

 

[JimmyFingers]

And finally some sense in this thread

 

[thehog]

And finally some sense in this thread

By using a derogatory and offensive term like "spastic"?

Yes, Jimmy, some have come so far their only rebuttal is to use a word like spastic.

 

[thehog]

Except struggling to finish a race all year. So it's highly likely he did stop doping in 2013 (which was pretty evident early on unless you were a spastic who bought into whatever PR excuses came out). Who knows whether it was because he landed a sweet deal and wanted to cruise or didn't have the expertise to deal with the extra testing or had already been put on notice over his values.

But yeh, 63rd in Quebec > Dominating Haut Var and Med.

I've not bought into anything. I've just studied the data and the results and come to a conclusion.

By believing that somehow JTL doped all his career including when he was 18 and stopped the minute he joined Sky is laughable.

I'm also not aware that JTL has a "PR" company; whereas Sky do. They are a media company after all. That would be PR.

JTL's results as I've listed out through his entire career demonstrate "progression".

Until he took the "step up" into ProTour.

Again its not like he went from Atomic Jock Race or barely finishing Romandie to 2nd in the Vuelta.

Or 4th in a very doped up Tour.

The evidence is on JTLs side on this one. To assume that he was doping and stopped at Sky is ludicrous and theres no evidence to back up that assertion hence why you didn't provide any.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Thought we didn't need evidence to back anything up here?

 

[thehog]

Thought we didn't need evidence to back anything up here?

Its your story. You assert that some sense has come to the thread because one person calls another a "spastic".

Its clear what satisfies you Jimmy. You're happy for senseless, distasteful putdowns as a means to argue a point.

Troubling.

 

[Netserk]

Please stop yourself Hog, this is beyond embarrassing.

 

[ebandit]

selective

"spastic".

Troubling.

but hoggy you know that is not the part jimmy is agreeing with...as usual you selectively present the facts

other members also feel that jtl desisted doping once at team sky

maybe? soon greater detail will emerge to be sure

Mark L

note the op is not using that term to call yourself

 

[thehog]

but hoggy you know that is not the part jimmy is agreeing with...as usual you selectively present the facts

other members also feel that jtl desisted doping once at team sky

I've not selectively presented any facts. I gave all of JTLs results from age 18 onwards.

Thats the difference. Many feel here he "burst" onto the scene. That he did not. And its not hard to demonstrate that.

He could have been doping at Endura and stopped at Sky. But when I look at the results I don't really see that.

 

[Netserk]

I've not selectively presented any facts. I gave all of JTLs results from age 18 onwards.

Thats the difference. Many feel here he "burst" onto the scene. That he did not. And its not hard to demonstrate that.

He could have been doping at Endura and stopped at Sky. But when I look at the results I don't really see that.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Please stop yourself Hog, this is beyond embarrassing.

This.
For several days.

Because of this.

I'm glad you've said it as he may listen to you.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Its your story. You assert that some sense has come to the thread because one person calls another a "spastic".

Its clear what satisfies you Jimmy. You're happy for senseless, distasteful putdowns as a means to argue a point.

Troubling.

OMG you spend your entire time on this forum sneering and sniping at people, making xenophobic statements (it was you who decided to mock a Spanish speaker for miss writing 'clean' as cleans). You twist facts, blatantly lie, misrepresent what people say and employ sarcasm and condescension regularly, yet when someone says a rude word you get all indignant and run to hide behind the skirts of the administrators. Quit trying to grab the moral-high ground, you don't get the go there because of the way you carry on on a daily basis on this forum.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Brilliant. Quod erat demonstratum.

 

[thehog]

This.
For several days.



Because of this.

I'm glad you've said it as he may listen to you.

A graph with zero detail or verbiage? Really?

So....

JTL is no stranger to racing on the continent, after starting out with French Amateur team U.V. Aube at the age of 18, he went on to race for CC ?tupes in 2005 taking a win at GP de Rocheville, and reaching podiums on all ten of his first ten races.

and

Won amateur Haut Var followed by world juniors u-23 for GB, then sickness.

Comes back after 3 years, winner of Tour of Crete in 2008, slow come back and in 2011 wins mountains classification in 2011 and 2nd Leon before 2012 "burst".

That's a progression. That's how junior riders work themselves through the ranks to become ProTour riders.

His victories in 2012 are very impressive but they all came in Jan-March and yes there were ProTour riding in those events but when you watch them they're not to be seen (bar Quintana).

As stated when he rode Copi in March when the season hotted up in 2012, JTL was dropped.

Which is about right. He wasn't winning Amstel he was winning 2.1 races.

If you compared JTLs backstory results to Froome, JTL looks a lot more realistic. And that is a undeniable fact.

 

[King Boonen]

OMG you spend your entire time on this forum sneering and sniping at people, making xenophobic statements (it was you who decided to mock a Spanish speaker for miss writing 'clean' as cleans). You twist facts, blatantly lie, misrepresent what people say and employ sarcasm and condescension regularly, yet when someone says a rude word you get all indignant and run to hide behind the skirts of the administrators. Quit trying to grab the moral-high ground, you don't get to go there because of the way you carry on on a daily basis on this forum.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Good post, Netserk.

Those spikes are like the pimples of exploding onto the scene of a rider's palmares.

 

[thehog]

"CQ points are awarded in all races on the UCI calendar".

So we can't show his progression as an amateur and junior?

Good graph!

 

[ebandit]

troll on hoggy

I've not selectively presented any facts. I gave all of JTLs results from age 18 onwards.

troll on hoggy! even here you choose your facts with gay abandon

as you know i was referring to ferminal's post that jimmy responded to...
the one you used to try and provoke

sad............ we should be talking about jtl

Mark L

 

[thehog]

troll on hoggy! even here you choose your facts with gay abandon

as you know i was referring to ferminal's post that jimmy responded to...
the one you used to try and provoke

sad............ we should be talking about jtl

Mark L

I am talking about JTL. You should read my posts and respond to those and not me being called a spastic.