Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[MatParker117]

When did JLT start his BP? Was he BP tested on endura, are Pro conti teams in the BP?

So his values for this year is what is being looked at.

So his spike from last year is not on it.

TOB last year, he may of literally sucked into a doping investigation.

 

[sniper]

Cookson isn't happy it has gone public. Further proof Walsh caught them off guard.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24321502

you like pulling that wool over your own eyes do you?
sky is using walsh for a limited hangout.
not much more to it.

 

[blackcat]

Are you talking about Vaughters??? If so, this is a completely ridiculous assertion which you have no evidence and proof of. Since JV posts on this forum, I think many would take exception of this out of line accusation.

JV has said previously, when they are looking at riders, they give them a time/date to be on a plane in a moments notice, must fly right to where they are, and when they get off the plane, they are tested. Does that mean they are clean and haven't doped? Of course not, but they get them at their height of performance/training, not when it is Thanksgiving weekend dinner when they do this. Surely a method to that madness to catch people off guard. If you have nothing to hide, then you will be there, major tour teams don't come knocking on your door, so you better be there, or something is wrong with the person.

If they are "late" to catch the plane, no-show, he claims they won't ever talk or sign them ever. They probably have one of the toughest contracts to ride under regarding doping and zero tolerance now. They do their own internal testing and such, we have no clue whether Sky has any program or testing like Garmin does in effect, doubtful. If they do, they don't like to talk about it, which would be to their benefit. A contract clause doens't mean anything though in the end, never stopped guys from doping of course.

JV has shown that he is all for giving guys a chance to race clean, even with a past/history of doping, he doesn't hide this. That is obvious by the guys on Garmin now and who have raced, which he knew before this entire downfall of LA and USADA, they doped. He kept it under wraps for the right time and really was an important piece of kicking off this entire doping issue in cycling the past year.

Shoot man, he came on the forum here and leaked about his own guys history of doping!!! Danielson, DaveZ etc...and hinted at the USADA issue and their part to help his guys stay in cycling and compete, for coming clean with their history. What other team has done this?!?! None.

Get serious man.

i am serious. and i dont think jv tells the truth. i dont believe a mediocre talent like hesjedal can win the giro. i dont think wiggins was clean at garmin. nor do i think vandevelde was in the first slipstream year. nor do i believe dave millar. and i reckon they got up to hijinx in st moritz training camp before their tour de france slipstream debut.

jv talks a big game. i dont think he believes his words.

i also dont consider this a smear nor defamation. we are dealing with cycling, where the record is overwhelming. i dont consider the term "doper" nor "doping" an epithet, and would prefer it to be excised from cycling vernacular.

edit: i dont believe wiggins was not doping since linda mccartney. and he prolly set the WR in the jnr individual pursuit in colombia on the gear too.

 

[blackcat]

I remember JTL being "upset" by training last year too, having been let finally to do his own "training" back then.

Also, he is in for a lot of money trouble. The contract signed at Sky has some nasty clauses in case you **** up.

as if they will make you pay.

you can easily do a non-veiled threat, more like a blackmail. JTL will know exactly what Froome and Wiggins and Porte are doing.

 

[gooner]

you like pulling that wool over your own eyes do you?
sky is using walsh for a limited hangout.
not much more to it.

Twist anything to carry on the mantra that he's some sort of sellout. If you were around the forum this morning you would have seen that Sky released a statement right for thing at dawn. All things point that they weren't expecting this to go public as quickly as this.

 

[EnacheV]

as if they will make you pay.

you can easily do a non-veiled threat, more like a blackmail. JTL will know exactly what Froome and Wiggins and Porte are doing.

he knows nothing cause there is nothing to know. He will pay a lot. If his explanation is not good he will be fired and he will pay a lot of damage. This is the 1st scandal after all team signed again that clean declaration.

 

[EnacheV]

This story has a good part though

Maybe it will scare the **** out of the more tainted teams.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

This story has a good part though

Maybe it will scare the **** out of the more tainted teams.

You are saying that there are teams out there more tainted than Team Sky?

 

[Taxus4a]

i dont believe a mediocre talent like hesjedal can win the giro.

Get informed about who is and who is not talented and then start to write.

Hesjedal is very talented, and I said before the Giro he was one of the favourites. He came from MTB, he was runnner up in the Worlds, it is that to be mediocre?

You need time to get in the road, but he is one of those cyclist helped for the biopassport, Adams, etc...he was very strong in the Tour before to get the Giro, in the cobblestones and in the Tourmalet, but along all the Tour.
He has been later very important for Dan Martin in his wins in Cataluña and Liege.

Are you the experto who is going to say who is talented or who is not?? itg is talented a rider that has always been with good results... for me in this era yes, but, in the past...no.

 

[Taxus4a]

You are saying that there are teams out there more tainted than Team Sky?

SKy is the less tainted team of the peloton, it is just tainted for some cycling "fans".

But time will talk.

 

[Marco Pantani]

Looks staged for me. JTL riding sub par, since joining Sky, now Walsh being the first to write about it.

In the end, that means two LBL wins less for JTL.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Hahahaha, there already is an explanation: JTL has CFS. Yep. The truth is out there.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/sep/29/team-sky-jonathan-tiernan-locke-cycling

''The 28-year-old Tiernan-Locke joined Team Sky at the end of 2012 after a stellar season in which he won the Tour of the Mediterranean, the Tour du Haut Var and the Tour Alsace as well as the Tour of Britain.

He has a history of chequered health, pulling out of the sport for two years earlier in his career due to chronic fatigue syndrome and glandular fever due to overtraining. Something similar seems to have happened this season after he joined Team Sky, as he struggled to find form and said that fatigue and illness were to blame. He did not defend his Tour of Britain title, but returned to racing in August after a lengthy break mid-season and appeared to have got back to form to earn selection for the world championship.''

So, badzillah, CFS, what is next? AIDS? Chris Horner?

 

[blackcat]

Get informed about who is and who is not talented and then start to write.

Hesjedal is very talented, and I said before the Giro he was one of the favourites. He came from MTB, he was runnner up in the Worlds, it is that to be mediocre?

You need time to get in the road, but he is one of those cyclist helped for the biopassport, Adams, etc...he was very strong in the Tour before to get the Giro, in the cobblestones and in the Tourmalet, but along all the Tour.
He has been later very important for Dan Martin in his wins in Cataluña and Liege.

Are you the experto who is going to say who is talented or who is not?? itg is talented a rider that has always been with good results... for me in this era yes, but, in the past...no.

i will stand by my opinion. word espoused here is hesjedal not the cleanskin you credit him for being

 

[EnacheV]

Hahahaha, there already is an explanation: JTL has CFS. Yep. The truth is out there.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/sep/29/team-sky-jonathan-tiernan-locke-cycling

''The 28-year-old Tiernan-Locke joined Team Sky at the end of 2012 after a stellar season in which he won the Tour of the Mediterranean, the Tour du Haut Var and the Tour Alsace as well as the Tour of Britain.

He has a history of chequered health, pulling out of the sport for two years earlier in his career due to chronic fatigue syndrome and glandular fever due to overtraining. Something similar seems to have happened this season after he joined Team Sky, as he struggled to find form and said that fatigue and illness were to blame. He did not defend his Tour of Britain title, but returned to racing in August after a lengthy break mid-season and appeared to have got back to form to earn selection for the world championship.''

So, badzillah, CFS, what is next? AIDS? Chris Horner?

While i don't buy that i can't also be sure that this health illness story isn't true.

This is showing how personal preferences influence what you think first. I don't like JTL because he whines to much so i don't believe the illness story. But i accept that it can be true.

 

[BroDeal]

The official Skybot talking points are beginning to take shape. They are a combination of chronic fatigue syndrome plus outrage that everything was not kept secret by the UCI. Those and they are conveniently overlooking that JTL has been training with Sky's Tenerife group for a long time, long before he signed for the team.

 

[Cycle Chic]

+ ∞
I have met Cookson many times. I watched the interview with him prior to the women's race yesterday and that was one heck of an agitated looking guy. Not the Brian that was on top of the World having won the biggest prize of his life. That he did not act normally got me to replay it later in the day to my wife so I couyld get a second opinion. I asked her what she thought as she is a shrewd judge of character. Her verdict "Why does he keep touching his head, there is no wind blowing to ruffle his hair. He looks very anxious and unsure. Something going on." She asked me to replay so she could confirm the trees/flags were not blowing.

how refreshing that a man values a womans opinion on cycling....a few in here should take notes

 

[ToreBear]

I really wonder who told this to Walsh. Could be JTL himself. Perhaps someone close to him. Or could be someone at Sky. Or could be somebody in the Passport unit?

Many options. Personally I have no idea.

I'm disappointed it became public though. This process is supposed to be confidential. The explanations could be many. Many of these could relate to health issues that one might not want to talk of in public. It could also be testing error. That is why there is a process for gathering more information from the one with suspicious values.

It should only be made public if the passport unit decides to press ahead after an explanation does not satisfy the passport unit.

If there is an explanation, there will still remain a suspicion due to people not paying attention when an all clear report is given, or people purposefully downplaying that there was nothing there in order to suit their own theories.


As for JTL, I don't see how sky could have known if he was doping or not when they signed him.

One thing I don't get is that I though Pro conti teams had the bp? And I thought his previous team was a pro conti team?

What have I got wrong?

 

[Netserk]

Endura was a Continental team, not Pro Continental.

 

[Freddythefrog]

As for JTL, I don't see how sky could have known if he was doping or not when they signed him.

What have I got wrong?

Factual - a team with more money and more scientific testing than any on the planet, hires a rider that was on the GB U23 national team in 2004 and lots of contact with since. He then becomes rocket man iv. Lots of ways to sort it out.

Soft - you need to get up close and see who bumps into this crew and recoils away and the types it embraces. Think Sutton and Brailsford.

 

[sniper]

The fact that JTL withdrew from the worlds suggests he knew already that this was going to be leaked.

 

[Netserk]

The fact that JTL withdrew from the worlds suggests he knew already that this was going to be leaked.

More that Sky and BC already knew it, and he wasn't allowed to race. Could be either though.

 

[ToreBear]

The official Skybot talking points are beginning to take shape. They are a combination of chronic fatigue syndrome plus outrage that everything was not kept secret by the UCI. Those and they are conveniently overlooking that JTL has been training with Sky's Tenerife group for a long time, long before he signed for the team.

Yep and since he has trained with them, they would no doubt be searching his body for needle marks or cortizone marks or what ever every morning before training.

They would also know how he responds to different training regimes and such, so that his first year with sky would get off to a flying start..... ops

That theory didn't work with the facts. Perhaps I'm a skybot because I don't like your theories, and don't like the wada procedures being broken then?

 

[sniper]

More that Sky and BC already knew it, and he wasn't allowed to race. Could be either though.

exactly

in any case this nicely rebuts gooner's claim that sky were caught off-guard by walsh's ST piece.

 

[ToreBear]

Endura was a Continental team, not Pro Continental.

Gratzie! Then his performance is very "interesting". I always thought it was pro conti.

 

[neineinei]

Can someone change the title of the thread to say Jonathan Tiernan-Locke instead of Jonathon Tiernan Locke?