Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[ChewbaccaD]

Good article from Shane Stokes.

Brailsford talking smack again.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/07/b...-cheat-with-us-he-cheated-before-he-got-here/

Gotta love that blue skunk stripe...it really tells the tale quite nicely.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Once again I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the bots when they use words like "racist" in response to people who correctly point out that some brits think they are better and cleaner than other nationalities.

Are not race and and nationality different? And I am genuinely interested, which 'regular' posters have called people racist for that reason?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Pedro is generally pretty good for a Bot. So won't hold this against him.

You're normally good for a troll. Swing and roundabouts I guess.

 

[thehog]

Gotta love that blue skunk stripe...it really tells the tale quite nicely.

MC: I don’t think Dave understood that JTL had doped between Sky training camps and at the World's.

DB: No, I knew.

MC: Not fully.

 

[Energy Starr]

MC: I don’t think Dave understood that JTL had doped between Sky training camps and at the World's.

DB: No, I knew.

MC: Not fully.

You beat me to it. So many jokes possible. Maybe we'll get lucky and JTL will pull a Floyd and burn this mutha down.

 

[thehog]

You beat me to it. So many jokes possible. Maybe we'll get lucky and JTL will pull a Floyd and burn this mutha down.

JTL will go FR. Give him some time to stew on it. He'll never get a bike contract again and not riding until 2016 will suck big time. Of course Braisford will label him disgruntled.

JTL for the win.

 

[buckle]

Why doesn't JTL grass up SKY in exchange for 6 months?

 

[ralphbert]

Why doesn't JTL grass up SKY in exchange for 6 months?

You must have missed the memo, this is the new generation. Nobody is interested in Sky doping. Only US postal.

 

[buckle]

You must have missed the memo, this is the new generation. Nobody is interested in Sky doping. Only US postal.

I guess JTL could sell his story then ...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If only there were an independent commission where he could confess his sins and help clean up the sport...

 

[buckle]

It's not clear that the doping at Team Sky is orchestrated. Perhaps they are free agents within the team and DB turns a blind eye until they get caught.

 

[manafana]

Aside from people saying Sky have a doping programme, i do believe the very much push the boundaries of what is legal.

JTL has been pretty much thrown under bus by Sky, any rider should seriously avoid joining them just like the yates did. JTL guilty or not needed a little more support from sky to provide emotional support although that is for the UCI also.

 

[Dalakhani]

Isn't the whole point of the passport that is builds up a profile over time. The anomolies were based on his 2012 values but they could only have been called into question after there was sufficient data following that.

JTL was a running joke in the road racing (non-clinic) part of the forum in 2012. The joke being that he was the best rider in the world and he was going to win the Tour multiple times etc.

Obviously, not being the clinic, people weren't explaining the joke. But, when a guy appears out of nowhere in his mid-20s and wins 3 stage races, they didn't need to.

Brailsford's story seems to be that he believes in miracles... to the point where he didn't think, "Hey, wait a minute, there's something suspicious about this guy, we need to do our due diligence before signing him".

 

[Morbius]

Moving away from speculation about Sky's involvement or lack of, what are the next stages in the process?

Is there a deadline for appeal, and if so when is it? Does the appeal go straight to CAS or is there another stage first?

 

[MartinGT]

It is absolutely laughable the amount of twunts on Twitter who are pleading JTL's innocence about this.

It is also laughable the amount of twunts on Twitter blaming him and not Sky.

There was one guy who couldnt get his head around the fact Sky didnt test him, but that was ok because they were relying on Garmins data which should be fine.

Just clueless. I think a rest from Twitter is needed for me

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It is absolutely laughable the amount of twunts on Twitter who are pleading JTL's innocence about this.

It is also laughable the amount of twunts on Twitter blaming him and not Sky.

There was one guy who couldnt get his head around the fact Sky didnt test him, but that was ok because they were relying on Garmins data which should be fine.

Just clueless. I think a rest from Twitter is needed for me

It's a good reminder of why pineapple juice and pillows can be used to explain Froome's nuclear improvements.

 

[Dalakhani]

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/07/b...-cheat-with-us-he-cheated-before-he-got-here/

Brailsford was asked Thursday if the team was working with the squad earlier than September 2012.

“With Team Sky? No…I would have to check,” he replied. “He might have come to one training camp”

3 points to make about that quote:

#1: This JTL story has dragged out. There has been months of speculation that Locke had been training with Sky. And Brailsford doesn't know?

It reminds me of a scene in the Simpsons where a canival barker is claiming a car on display used to belong to Hitler:

"Some say the skeleton of Hitler himself is in the trunk. But, I'm a busy man, and I haven't had the time to look."

Yeah, sure, Dave.

#2: See how Brailsford's first response is denial... then, realising he could get caught in a lie, changes his story immediately. (And then changes it again.)

#3: He seems to have a poor memory. Just like Froome's poor memory when being interviewed by Kimmage. Poor memories are a good thing to have when people in your organisation are up to no good.

 

[doperhopper]

#2: See how Brailsford's first response is denial... then, realising he could get caught in a lie, changes his story immediately. (And then changes it again.)

#3: He seems to have a poor memory. Just like Froome's poor memory when being interviewed by Kimmage. Poor memories are a good thing to have when people in your organisation are up to no good.

journos should start interviews with "what day do we have today?", ... , "Correct, memory works, so let's move on to JTL".

 

[MartinGT]

Just looking at some of the names he beat at Haut Var

Simon Clarke
Dan Martin
Nairo Quintana
Roman Bardet
etc

Yes, he is innocent

 

[the sceptic]

Just looking at some of the names he beat at Haut Var

Simon Clarke
Dan Martin
Nairo Quintana
Roman Bardet
etc

Yes, he is innocent

Never tested positive. Could have been a machine error.

I guess its a defense mechanism in order to still be able to believe Froome. Otherwise they might accidentally ask themselves. "If JTL was doping, what about this other guy who transformed 10 times better"

 

[the sceptic]

Amazing nonsense from Brailsford

Asked if he believed the verdict, Brailsford said he had no choice. “I don’t think I am expert enough to be able to question the outcome. What I am saying is, given the outcome, we will respect that,” he stated. “We terminate his contract. There is no place for cheats in this sport and there is certainly no place for cheats in Team Sky.”

Pressed on whether he specifically if he believed the rider doped, he refrained from saying yes. “I am saying there is no place for cheats. If you have been convicted, that is because I presume they think he has cheated.”

“A guy has cheated before he has got to our team. That process is now concluded and there is quite clearly no place for him on our team. That is the situation.”

So he is a cheat, but he might not have doped?

 

[RownhamHill]

Amazing nonsense from Brailsford


So he is a cheat, but he might not have doped?

Or he's a cheat, but I have no particular stomach for putting the boot into him anymore than I already have done by suspending and then sacking him.

What exactly do you expect him to say?

 

[Benotti69]

Or he's a cheat, but I have no particular stomach for putting the boot into him anymore than I already have done by suspending and then sacking him.

What exactly do you expect him to say?

You expect someone who runs a clean team to be extremely upset as it undermines everything a clean team is trying to achieve so yes you would put the boot in repeatedly.

That Brailsford isn't again points to Sky not being what they keep telling the world they are.

 

[neineinei]

It is absolutely laughable the amount of twunts on Twitter who are pleading JTL's innocence about this.

It is also laughable the amount of twunts on Twitter blaming him and not Sky.

There was one guy who couldnt get his head around the fact Sky didnt test him, but that was ok because they were relying on Garmins data which should be fine.

Just clueless. I think a rest from Twitter is needed for me

I guess the 29 track and field athletes sanctioned under the biological passport over the last three years are also innocent to them, as well as the other 13 cyclists. Justice for Pellizotti, Menchov, Astarloa and Colom as well, not just Tiernan-Locke!

Not to mention that the biological passport is THE most important anti-doping tool according to UCI, WADA and IOC and frequently spoken of as proof that cycling is clean(er) now and how good cycling is at anti-doping.

 

[the sceptic]

Or he's a cheat, but I have no particular stomach for putting the boot into him anymore than I already have done by suspending and then sacking him.

What exactly do you expect him to say?

Brailsford is trying to distance himself from JTL by playing dumb.

Which is exactly what I expected him to do.