Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[blackcat]

From David Walsh



Sounds suspiciously as some thought - his miracle year at Endura that got him the Sky contract was...ahem...a miracle. It seems likely going off the juice at Sky has lowered his numbers from the Endura/Worlds 2012 level and caught him out; he has been crap all this year...

Would very much like to know WHEN he got the letter; he was dropped from the world's squad just a couple of days ago, citing poor form (I wonder who cited that, actually) #transparency.

Was this Pat's last revenge, me wonders!!

He has three weeks to provide an explanation.

3 seconds only required. And 3 syllables

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[Escarabajo]

It sounds like he pulled a Wiggins.

Funny how Sky never bothered to examine his test numbers enough to see they were hiring a sketchy rider. Or maybe Brailsfraud does not care.

At least Vaughters checks this stuff out before hiring someone.

Maybe the values before he joined Sky in itself are not suspicious. Only when coupled with the 2013 values they become suspicious.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He announced in October, ToB was September. Could be some some ABP fluctuation but I still think Off Score. Might not be bad enough to sanction on it's one, like Levi, but in combo with the Biopassport the UCI has a better path to sanction him

The article clearly states that it was from September - so it probably was from his victory in ToB that they were building his profile.
Just because he was not on a World Tour team does not mean he cannot be included for testing. But obviously the ability to build a profile would be limited.

 

[Escarabajo]

Another case of a rider who performed very well on a small team but not on World Tour, because on World Tour he's much more controlled. The same happens with several south american guys (for example).

Like who?

Somebody was talking on the other thread about this topic but the riders they mentioned were not very well known. Do you know of someone popular?

 

[MatParker117]

It sounds like he pulled a Wiggins.

Funny how Sky never bothered to examine his test numbers enough to see they were hiring a sketchy rider. Or maybe Brailsfraud does not care.

At least Vaughters checks this stuff out before hiring someone.

Sky have turned down two riders (Pellizotti & one other) for suspicious blood values. I'm guessing this is a combination of the numbers.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

What do you mean?

I believe if it was a controlled leak Brailsford is slick enough to have come up with something much better than:
“I’m not in a position to say anything at this point.”

 

[sniper]

if sky still don't follow horner's example now, i guess that should raise an eyebrow or two even among the more tenacious sky defenders.

 

[Race Radio]

Was this Pat's last revenge, me wonders!!

While it would not surprise me if JTL was doping it would also not surprise me if he was targeted. Pat is a vindictive guy. All of his critics are targets

 

[sniper]

While it would not surprise me if JTL was doping

it would surprise me if he wasn't.

Pat is a vindictive guy. All of his critics are targets

has he been particularly vocal contra Pat?

 

[The Hitch]

One thing that does come straight to mind is that if the difference between JTL this year and last year is drugs, then the drugs in this day and age are ****ing potent.

 

[BroDeal]

Sky have turned down two riders (Pellizotti & one other) for suspicious blood values. I'm guessing this is a combination of the numbers.

I do not think so. Pellizotti falls under the Sky policy of not wanting anyone who the public knows has doped.

As posted above, when will Sky be as transparent as Horner? Where are the blood values so we can see for ourselves?

 

[Samson777]

Another case of a rider who performed very well on a small team but not on World Tour, because on World Tour he's much more controlled. The same happens with several south american guys (for example).

100% agree. This case is a sign of clean cycling.
The test is finally working, so you can no longer get away with cheating at the top level. That's why the the Tour number 100, became the first clean version ever.

The cases with guys who only perform on small teams, proofs that cheating is not possible at World tour level. Another example I thought of is this American guy; Cris Horner, he did very well riding for small American teams, but then you see him at the world tour, and, oh wait.....

 

[Race Radio]

has he been particularly vocal contra Pat?

Sky is an essentially an extension of British cycling. Cookson is Pat's biggest critic. Garmin and Katusha were Pat's targets

 

[MatParker117]

I do not think so. Pellizotti falls under the Sky policy of not wanting anyone who the public knows has doped.

As posted above, when will Sky be as transparent as Horner? Where are the blood values so we can see for ourselves?

They did provide three years of data to L'Equipe in the case of the Froome as most of Sky's senior staff are currently attempting to put Froome in Rainbows it will be awhile before they make a statement.

 

[The Hitch]

Sky is an essentially an extension of British cycling. Cookson is Pat's biggest critic. Garmin and Katusha were also in his sites

And JTL is pretty much Sky's worst rider, one who hasn't race a gt for them and is being accused of doping before he even joined the team.

If this is Mcquaids revenge its even more limp than his attempt to stay on as President.

 

[The Hitch]

They did provide three years of data to L'Equipe in the case of the Froome as most of Sky's senior staff are currently attempting to put Froome in Rainbows it will be awhile before they make a statement.

3 years of data?

It was less than 2 years worth of power outputs, which extremely conveniently wen't back only to his 2011 Vuelta and not a minute before.

Nice try though

 

[sniper]

Sky is an essentially an extension of British cycling. Cookson is Pat's biggest critic. Garmin and Katusha were Pat's targets

ok, see what you mean.

yeah, nice little stunt by Pat i must say.
good sense of humor, though cookson won't be laughing.

 

[MatParker117]

3 years of data?

It was less than 2 years worth of power outputs, which extremely conveniently wen't back only to his 2011 Vuelta and not a minute before.

Nice try though

I'm tired and drunk don't pay attention to me.

 

[BroDeal]

They did provide three years of data to L'Equipe in the case of the Froome as most of Sky's senior staff are currently attempting to put Froome in Rainbows it will be awhile before they make a statement.

They provided data to the scam artist who declared Armstrong clean. They did not include any data prior to Froome's miraculous transformation.

That is not transparency. That is a calculated public relations campaign designed to avoid giving out the data that would be the most illuminating.

 

[Samson777]

And JTL is pretty much Sky's worst rider, one who hasn't race a gt for them and is being accused of doping before he even joined the team.

If this is Mcquaids revenge its even more limp than his attempt to stay on as President.

+1
Pat disappoint me if this is his revenge. I mean JTL? whatever..
Really was expecting more firework. This is not enough to bring out the popcorn.

 

[sniper]

They provided data to the scam artist who declared Armstrong clean. They did not include any data prior to Froome's miraculous transformation.

That is not transparency. That is a calculated public relations campaign designed to avoid giving out the data that would be the most illuminating.

nope, and walsh never asked for the data either. instead he relied on what sky's doctor freeman told him.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...-froome-unfair-journalist-20130722-2qf3v.html

he really is sky's *****.

 

[Race Radio]

And JTL is pretty much Sky's worst rider, one who hasn't race a gt for them and is being accused of doping before he even joined the team.

If this is Mcquaids revenge its even more limp than his attempt to stay on as President.

It has always been Pat's M.O. to go after someone who he perceives as having limited ability to protect himself.

 

[Rui Quinta]

Like who?

Somebody was talking on the other thread about this topic but the riders they mentioned were not very well known. Do you know of someone popular?

Recently we are Miguel Ubeto case. Darwin Atapuma talked about that here. Rujano ride well in Giro but only for Androni (south american team). On big times like Caisse d'Epargne and Vacansoleil he failed.

I'm portuguese and here we have several cases like that. I can't put their names, but many riders are good on portuguese teams and then failed when goes to WT teams.

 

[zlev11]

so his 2012 values were dodgy? so why did 'Sir' Dave Brailsford, the leader of clean cycling, give him a contract then?

you'd have to think that the most scientifcally advanced cycling team the world has ever known would analyze the blood values of any rider they were about sign, right?

very strange

 

[Parker]

so his 2012 values were dodgy? so why did 'Sir' Dave Brailsford, the leader of clean cycling, give him a contract then?

you'd have to think that the most scientifcally advanced cycling team the world has ever known would analyze the blood values of any rider they were about sign, right?

very strange

It's not strange at all. At the time of signing him there was less information available than there is now. At the time of signing the limited information was not in itself suspicious, it only became suspicious when combined with more information.
This is why he is being asked about his values now and not a year ago.