Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[thehog]

Endura has been thrown under the bus by the Bots!

I read the UCI press release. JTL was stripped of his World Championship result for doping. He was riding for Britain. I just checked and noted Brailsford was managing that team.

 

[the sceptic]

of course it is worrying when a rider is found to be doping...........but seeing

a cheater outed is still reson for cheer

but as you must be aware problem resulting with ban was when JTL was an

endura rider and pic of JTL with sky on jersey is because sky also sponsor

BC

rather worrying that this has been stated so often but still you persist

Mark L

So Endura was doping him up? I find that very hard to believe.

 

[veganrob]

So Endura was doping him up? I find that very hard to believe.

Right on. Who knew Endura paid their riders so well?

 

[ebandit]

omg

I read the UCI press release. JTL was stripped of his World Championship result for doping. He was riding for Britain. I just checked and noted Brailsford was managing that team.

OMG DB had the BC team on the juice....................no wonder they all did so well

or was it just JTL?

Mark L

 

[ebandit]

hard

So Endura was doping him up? I find that very hard to believe.

I realise it's a shock but yes! some riders dope.................not necesarily an endura thing..............as it is probably not a team sky thing

a JTL thing....................sad I know

Mark L

 

[thehog]

OMG DB had the BC team on the juice....................no wonder they all did so well

or was it just JTL?

Mark L

Calm down there EB

Word on the street is JTL is going to fight like Lance. He plans up appeal. He could be innocent after all!

So no need to throw Endura and UK grassroots cycling under the bus just yet. Hold fire on blaming the local circuit for his doping.

 

[the sceptic]

I realise it's a shock but yes! some riders dope.................not necesarily an endura thing..............as it is probably not a team sky thing

a JTL thing....................sad I know

Mark L

I think JTL doped on his own. Poor endura had nothing to do with it.

Brailsford knew. He isnt that stupid Mark. They had him at Tenerife and they were pleased with what they saw. After that, JTL continued to dope under the watchful eye of Brailsford, until he became a sky rider. Im sure the plan was to have him become the next Wiggins, but something went wrong.

Endura pointed out Team Sky had significant involvement with Tiernan-Locke prior to his official start date in January, including taking him in May 2012 to the training camp in Tenerife widely credited as being the catalyst for Bradley Wiggins’s Tour de France triumph.

Endura also claimed Team Sky had “full access” to the 28-year-old from that point on, including during the final quarter of 2012.

 

[willbick]

I think JTL doped on his own. Poor endura had nothing to do with it.

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in what way was he doping and how do you think he was able to do this on his own? i would've thought you'd need the help and backing of at least a medical professional and probably some other people to 'dope'

with all the sky-bashing it is worth pointing out that JTL first showed standout form at the 2011 Tour of Britain when riding for Rapha condor sharp

 

[Parker]

in what way was he doping and how do you think he was able to do this on his own? i would've thought you'd need the help and backing of at least a medical professional and probably some other people to 'dope'

I imagine he just got some EPO off his local Joe Papp equivalent and injected with some home spun wisdom. He was only a Contiental level rider for most of the time. And then he probably read on the internet how the tests were rubbish and carried on until he got the contract he wanted.

 

[Parker]

Brailsford knew. He isnt that stupid Mark. They had him at Tenerife and they were pleased with what they saw. After that, JTL continued to dope under the watchful eye of Brailsford, until he became a sky rider.

That was the clever thing by Sky. Boosting his wage demands before they signed him and then reducing him to a far lesser rider.
It's like the Brewster's Millions.

 

[thehog]

That was the clever thing by Sky. Boosting his wage demands before they signed him and then reducing him to a far lesser rider.
It's like the Brewster's Millions.

Having a rider like Wiggins on £3m a year sit out the Tour, I don't think JTL's first up salary troubled them a great deal, wouldn't you think?

Getting top responders into the team appears more of a priority.

 

[thehog]

I imagine he just got some EPO off his local Joe Papp equivalent and injected with some home spun wisdom. He was only a Contiental level rider for most of the time. And then he probably read on the internet how the tests were rubbish and carried on until he got the contract he wanted.

Imagine. Probably. Read on the Internet. Home spun wisdom.

Sounds like you really know what you're talking about

 

[the sceptic]

That was the clever thing by Sky. Boosting his wage demands before they signed him and then reducing him to a far lesser rider.
It's like the Brewster's Millions.

Sorry. JTL is clean. Machine error.

 

[willbick]

im not saying if JTL is innocent or not. im just interested in the feasability of a rider blood doping 'on his own', or at least with no more than amateur assistance.

 

[Catwhoorg]

How much was Dan Staite earning from cycling ?

If HE can source and use EPO for minimal gains, then its safe to assume JTL can do so for much more reward.

 

[thehog]

im not saying if JTL is innocent or not. im just interested in the feasability of a rider blood doping 'on his own', or at least with no more than amateur assistance.

He plans to appeal, so I'm very interested to see what the full story is from his side of the events. As it only pertains to ToB, Worlds and then his "official" time with Sky I'm sure he'll document what occurred beyond what DB wants us to know.

 

[DirtyWorks]

im not saying if JTL is innocent or not. im just interested in the feasability of a rider blood doping 'on his own', or at least with no more than amateur assistance.

Not a problem. See David Anthony's EPO positive. It was a self-administered program.

 

[DirtyWorks]

..as it is probably not a team sky thing

Mark L

Please post some evidence to the bolded one way or the other. And I don't mean Brailsford pretending JTL wasn't riding at Sky.

No one but JTL and Co. know the truth.

 

[deviant]

Imagine. Probably. Read on the Internet. Home spun wisdom.

Sounds like you really know what you're talking about

That's right Hog, because everybody who has ever used PEDs did it with medical supervision, club/team knowledge etc etc....
Most PEDs are ridiculously easy to get hold of and basic knowledge/bro science is openly discussed on forums.
Said user will need to dig a little deeper and start scanning proper medical studies etc to get better understanding but it's easy for an individual to acquire PEDs and start doping independently of team mates....

....trying to explain the noticeable improvements is the tricky part, rivals may notice, team mates may notice etc etc and this is where team DRs and management should be taken to task for turning a blind eye.

Anybody can learn to cannulate a vein and draw down blood, there are videos on YouTube showing it FFS....anyone can Google how to store blood, anybody can order peptides, EPO etc from numerous websites, the equipment required doesn't require licences and can be ordered through eBay.

I'd say an athlete could dope independently to quite a high level but once at Pro Tour level and with continual contact with a team DR that rider would struggle to keep it under the radar.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

That's right Hog, because everybody who has ever used PEDs did it with medical supervision, club/team knowledge etc etc....
Most PEDs are ridiculously easy to get hold of and basic knowledge/bro science is openly discussed on forums.
Said user will need to dig a little deeper and start scanning proper medical studies etc to get better understanding but it's easy for an individual to acquire PEDs and start doping independently of team mates....

....trying to explain the noticeable improvements is the tricky part, rivals may notice, team mates may notice etc etc and this is where team DRs and management should be taken to task for turning a blind eye.

Anybody can learn to cannulate a vein and draw down blood, there are videos on YouTube showing it FFS....anyone can Google how to store blood, anybody can order peptides, EPO etc from numerous websites, the equipment required doesn't require licences and can be ordered through eBay.

I'd say an athlete could dope independently to quite a high level but once at Pro Tour level and with continual contact with a team DR that rider would struggle to keep it under the radar.

A blood spinner would help, yeah?

 

[deviant]

I don't 'get' the blood spinner comment, sorry.

Has JTL been found in possession of a centrifuge?....they're not that expensive (1 - 2k in the UK) so a rider serious about his doping would be able to afford one.
For me they come under the paraphernalia banner and it makes me very uneasy that teams have things like this.... if they weren't manipulating haematocrit they wouldn't need a blood spinner in my opinion.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I don't 'get' the blood spinner comment, sorry.

Has JTL been found in possession of a centrifuge?....they're not that expensive (1 - 2k in the UK) so a rider serious about his doping would be able to afford one.
For me they come under the paraphernalia banner and it makes me very uneasy that teams have things like this.... if they weren't manipulating haematocrit they wouldn't need a blood spinner in my opinion.

They would need and could justify one for internal testing.

And no, JTL as far as I know did not have one.

 

[ebandit]

evidently

Please post some evidence to the bolded one way or the other. And I don't mean Brailsford pretending JTL wasn't riding at Sky.

No one but JTL and Co. know the truth.

please consider the meaning of 'probably' before requesting evidence

Y A W N !

Mark L

 

[MartinGT]

in what way was he doping and how do you think he was able to do this on his own? i would've thought you'd need the help and backing of at least a medical professional and probably some other people to 'dope'

with all the sky-bashing it is worth pointing out that JTL first showed standout form at the 2011 Tour of Britain when riding for Rapha condor sharp

Then got a fat contract with Endura and that wasnt enough so he chased more dollars and upped the dosage?

 

[msjett]

The part I still don't get is if the teams interested in him had the data from his bio-passport wouldn't they have seen the abnormalities? But all I keep reading is it happened before Sky, but wouldn't they have the most up to date info when he joined the team?

And to be fair, Sky isn't the only team that has taken on a rider who has then been busted...