Jorg Jaksche Speaks

[sniper]

In Jorg Jaksche's USADA affidavit, he notices how Bobby Julich's hematocrit exceeded 50 somewhere in 2004, due to which Riis decided to take him out of competition.
Has anybody, a journo, CADF, USADA, UKAD, anybody with an alleged stake in clean cycling, ever followed that lead?
Shocker.

 

[Benotti69]

It was an impressive tweet, full omertà applied, Valverde would have blushed!:

https://twitter.com/Digger_forum/status/734969992245092352

To quote Vaughters

Well Said, Rory.

Someone point to the clean part of the cesspit...

 

[sniper]

Joerg Jaksche ‏@jaksche 8 Std.vor 8 Stunden

@rorysutherland1 when the "delete tweet" button is bigger than your balls

 

[thehog]

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Joerg Jaksche ‏@jaksche 8 Std.vor 8 Stunden

@rorysutherland1 when the "delete tweet" button is bigger than your balls

I did find his comments re: USADA interesting, no wonder JV jumped in for this point alone. He benefited the most from the that sham.

 

[Benotti69]

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Joerg Jaksche ‏@jaksche 8 Std.vor 8 Stunden

@rorysutherland1 when the "delete tweet" button is bigger than your balls

I did find his comments re: USADA interesting, no wonder JV jumped in for this point alone. He benefited the most from the that sham.

Armstrong must've done something to Vaughters, apart from the comment about bee stings.

JV was the biggest gain in Armstrong's downfall, only Landis will supercede it financially, but JV benefited with staying in the sport and becoming a team owner.

But yep Jaksche's comment cut deeply on JV.

 

[the delgados]

I agree with Rory.
Jaksche is removed from the years when transfusions were done in hotel rooms under the watch of directors.
Doesn't the guy realize it's all hush-hush? What a silly head.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

I agree with Rory.
Jaksche is removed from the years when transfusions were done in hotel rooms under the watch of directors.
Doesn't the guy realize it's all hush-hush? What a silly head.

you gonna delete your post

It is all hush hush so they hear the motors running properly..silly

 

[thehog]

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Joerg Jaksche ‏@jaksche 8 Std.vor 8 Stunden

@rorysutherland1 when the "delete tweet" button is bigger than your balls

I did find his comments re: USADA interesting, no wonder JV jumped in for this point alone. He benefited the most from the that sham.

Armstrong must've done something to Vaughters, apart from the comment about bee stings.

JV was the biggest gain in Armstrong's downfall, only Landis will supercede it financially, but JV benefited with staying in the sport and becoming a team owner.

But yep Jaksche's comment cut deeply on JV.

My biggest concern is that Vaughters has this "in" or direct line into Tygart at USADA. That worries me as in the Hesjedal situation and now Danielson there appears to be this "favoritism" shown and the facility to construct scenarios which favor JV and his sponsors. There is certainly no independence and most certainly is a conflict of interest involved between the two.

 

[The Hitch]

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Joerg Jaksche ‏@jaksche 8 Std.vor 8 Stunden

@rorysutherland1 when the "delete tweet" button is bigger than your balls

I did find his comments re: USADA interesting, no wonder JV jumped in for this point alone. He benefited the most from the that sham.

Not surprised to see a certain other twitter poster who claims to be "anti doping" get involved in omerta enforcement https://twitter.com/Digger_forum/status/734969992245092352

 

[Digger]

Jv is something else - he basically backs up Sutherland - about 12 hours before Valverde, Sutherland's teammate, wins a stage at 36. New generation JV - isn't it funny how the 'Old generation' keeps winning though.

 

[Beech Mtn]

JV isn't going to miss a chance to dogpile Jaksche. JV had some post on here a few years back, IIRC, where he was asked why he didn't hire Jacksche for his team like he'd done with guys like Millar, giving a doper who'd come clean a second chance, etc. Best I can recall, JV's answer was something to the tune of Jaksche being bad for team morale because JJ was a noted gossip and ***-stirrer, or somesuch.

Anyway, this isn't the first time for JV to publicly throw shade at JJ.

 

[Starstruck]

I think Jorg Jaksche is confusing that thinking/feeling thing. We need irrefutable proof 'cause the overall culture from junior, amateur to pro. isn't enough. #winnertakesall. $ & glory.

 

[thehog]

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JV isn't going to miss a chance to dogpile Jaksche. JV had some post on here a few years back, IIRC, where he was asked why he didn't hire Jacksche for his team like he'd done with guys like Millar, giving a doper who'd come clean a second chance, etc. Best I can recall, JV's answer was something to the tune of Jaksche being bad for team morale because JJ was a noted gossip and ***-stirrer, or somesuch.

Anyway, this isn't the first time for JV to publicly throw shade at JJ.

This part of the JJ interview creates a deafening ring:

VN: There were reportedly up to 60 riders involved, but you were among the few given a sanction, which effectively ended your career, do you feel bitter about that?

JJ: I know there are some names of big riders that never came out. Perhaps not even half of the names have been revealed. There are still many people who have their blood bags in that freezer in the lab in Barcelona. Maybe they are not sleeping very easily at night, but today, you see them working as sport directors, or on TV as commentators.

 

[Starstruck]

Re: Re:

JV isn't going to miss a chance to dogpile Jaksche. JV had some post on here a few years back, IIRC, where he was asked why he didn't hire Jacksche for his team like he'd done with guys like Millar, giving a doper who'd come clean a second chance, etc. Best I can recall, JV's answer was something to the tune of Jaksche being bad for team morale because JJ was a noted gossip and ***-stirrer, or somesuch.

Anyway, this isn't the first time for JV to publicly throw shade at JJ.

This part of the JJ interview creates a deafening ring:

VN: There were reportedly up to 60 riders involved, but you were among the few given a sanction, which effectively ended your career, do you feel bitter about that?

JJ: I know there are some names of big riders that never came out. Perhaps not even half of the names have been revealed. There are still many people who have their blood bags in that freezer in the lab in Barcelona. Maybe they are not sleeping very easily at night, but today, you see them working as sport directors, or on TV as commentators.

#fakeit'tillyoumakeit. #confessonlywhencaught.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

JV isn't going to miss a chance to dogpile Jaksche. JV had some post on here a few years back, IIRC, where he was asked why he didn't hire Jacksche for his team like he'd done with guys like Millar, giving a doper who'd come clean a second chance, etc. Best I can recall, JV's answer was something to the tune of Jaksche being bad for team morale because JJ was a noted gossip and ***-stirrer, or somesuch.

Anyway, this isn't the first time for JV to publicly throw shade at JJ.

This part of the JJ interview creates a deafening ring:

VN: There were reportedly up to 60 riders involved, but you were among the few given a sanction, which effectively ended your career, do you feel bitter about that?

JJ: I know there are some names of big riders that never came out. Perhaps not even half of the names have been revealed. There are still many people who have their blood bags in that freezer in the lab in Barcelona. Maybe they are not sleeping very easily at night, but today, you see them working as sport directors, or on TV as commentators.

#fakeit'tillyoumakeit. #confessonlywhencaught.

that's what Jaksche did

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

JV isn't going to miss a chance to dogpile Jaksche. JV had some post on here a few years back, IIRC, where he was asked why he didn't hire Jacksche for his team like he'd done with guys like Millar, giving a doper who'd come clean a second chance, etc. Best I can recall, JV's answer was something to the tune of Jaksche being bad for team morale because JJ was a noted gossip and ***-stirrer, or somesuch.

Anyway, this isn't the first time for JV to publicly throw shade at JJ.

This part of the JJ interview creates a deafening ring:

VN: There were reportedly up to 60 riders involved, but you were among the few given a sanction, which effectively ended your career, do you feel bitter about that?

JJ: I know there are some names of big riders that never came out. Perhaps not even half of the names have been revealed. There are still many people who have their blood bags in that freezer in the lab in Barcelona. Maybe they are not sleeping very easily at night, but today, you see them working as sport directors, or on TV as commentators.

#fakeit'tillyoumakeit. #confessonlywhencaught.

that's what Jaksche did

Exactly. So what makes JV or DM any better?

 

[Starstruck]

Re: Re:

JV isn't going to miss a chance to dogpile Jaksche. JV had some post on here a few years back, IIRC, where he was asked why he didn't hire Jacksche for his team like he'd done with guys like Millar, giving a doper who'd come clean a second chance, etc. Best I can recall, JV's answer was something to the tune of Jaksche being bad for team morale because JJ was a noted gossip and ***-stirrer, or somesuch.

Anyway, this isn't the first time for JV to publicly throw shade at JJ.

This part of the JJ interview creates a deafening ring:

VN: There were reportedly up to 60 riders involved, but you were among the few given a sanction, which effectively ended your career, do you feel bitter about that?

JJ: I know there are some names of big riders that never came out. Perhaps not even half of the names have been revealed. There are still many people who have their blood bags in that freezer in the lab in Barcelona. Maybe they are not sleeping very easily at night, but today, you see them working as sport directors, or on TV as commentators.

#fakeit'tillyoumakeit. #confessonlywhencaught.

that's what Jaksche did

Has there ever been a case of a pre-emptive (out of the blue) confession? That would be great. "I've never been caught but I just can't live with myself anymore. I've been doing drugs since I was a junior, all through my amateur days and now as a Pro. I've finally been able to afford the really good stuff."

This is the sort of thing only a moron like me would do. #justforthehellofit. Can you imagine how much fun that would be?

 

[Anaconda]

Re: Re:

JV isn't going to miss a chance to dogpile Jaksche. JV had some post on here a few years back, IIRC, where he was asked why he didn't hire Jacksche for his team like he'd done with guys like Millar, giving a doper who'd come clean a second chance, etc. Best I can recall, JV's answer was something to the tune of Jaksche being bad for team morale because JJ was a noted gossip and ***-stirrer, or somesuch.

Anyway, this isn't the first time for JV to publicly throw shade at JJ.

This part of the JJ interview creates a deafening ring:

VN: There were reportedly up to 60 riders involved, but you were among the few given a sanction, which effectively ended your career, do you feel bitter about that?

JJ: I know there are some names of big riders that never came out. Perhaps not even half of the names have been revealed. There are still many people who have their blood bags in that freezer in the lab in Barcelona. Maybe they are not sleeping very easily at night, but today, you see them working as sport directors, or on TV as commentators.

#fakeit'tillyoumakeit. #confessonlywhencaught.

that's what Jaksche did

Has there ever been a case of a pre-emptive (out of the blue) confession? That would be great. "I've never been caught but I just can't live with myself anymore. I've been doing drugs since I was a junior, all through my amateur days and now as a Pro. I've finally been able to afford the really good stuff."

Only one I can recall at the pro level is that of Jerome Chiotti. Ex Festina roadie, turned to mountain biking, won the 1996 cross country world Championships race, felt guilty, confessed, gave the medal and jersey (some years later) to 2nd pl. He was sanctioned by French antidoping for his confession also.

Sounded like the UCI were none too happy about Jeromes confession. Jerome had to arrange and do the handover of the hardware and jersey himself.

 

[Starstruck]

Re: Re:

Only one I can recall at the pro level is that of Jerome Chiotti. Ex Festina roadie, turned to mountain biking, won the 1996 cross country world Championships race, felt guilty, confessed, gave the medal and jersey (some years later) to 2nd pl. He was sanctioned by French antidoping for his confession also.

Sounded like the UCI were none too happy about Jeromes confession. Jerome had to arrange and do the handover of the hardware and jersey himself.

What a dummy.

 

[blackcat]

stupid insofaras second would prolly have been doping too, where did chicken rassmussen finish that year?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I agree with Rory.
Jaksche is removed from the years when transfusions were done in hotel rooms under the watch of directors.
Doesn't the guy realize it's all hush-hush? What a silly head.

you gonna delete your post

It is all hush hush so they hear the motors running properly..silly

tesla m8,

silent

and the acceleration, oh the acceleration

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Re: Re:

JV isn't going to miss a chance to dogpile Jaksche. JV had some post on here a few years back, IIRC, where he was asked why he didn't hire Jacksche for his team like he'd done with guys like Millar, giving a doper who'd come clean a second chance, etc. Best I can recall, JV's answer was something to the tune of Jaksche being bad for team morale because JJ was a noted gossip and ***-stirrer, or somesuch.

Anyway, this isn't the first time for JV to publicly throw shade at JJ.

This part of the JJ interview creates a deafening ring:

VN: There were reportedly up to 60 riders involved, but you were among the few given a sanction, which effectively ended your career, do you feel bitter about that?

JJ: I know there are some names of big riders that never came out. Perhaps not even half of the names have been revealed. There are still many people who have their blood bags in that freezer in the lab in Barcelona. Maybe they are not sleeping very easily at night, but today, you see them working as sport directors, or on TV as commentators.

#fakeit'tillyoumakeit. #confessonlywhencaught.

that's what Jaksche did

Has there ever been a case of a pre-emptive (out of the blue) confession? That would be great. "I've never been caught but I just can't live with myself anymore. I've been doing drugs since I was a junior, all through my amateur days and now as a Pro. I've finally been able to afford the really good stuff."

This is the sort of thing only a moron like me would do. #justforthehellofit. Can you imagine how much fun that would be?

Ludo Dierckxens getting a doping control and saying "oh hey guys! I took this thing, was that allowed?"
Don't think it was fun for him when he got banned

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

...
that's what Jaksche did

Exactly. So what makes JV or DM any better?

or hesjedal, or the garmin 6-monthers.
and jaksche at least confessed in the true sense of the word.
hesjedal and the 6-monthers not even close.
confessed only what they had to confess in order to cut a deal. Lied or stayed silent on everything else.

The script they were reading from ('stopped in 2006', 'doping made me go backwards') had JV's handwriting all over it. The fact that Tygart publicly vouched for the truthfulness of those Garmin affidavits supports thehog's claim that he and JV are/were in bed together. Not sure in what position, but at least under the same blanket.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

In Jorg Jaksche's USADA affidavit, he notices how Bobby Julich's hematocrit exceeded 50 somewhere in 2004, due to which Riis decided to take him out of competition.
Has anybody, a journo, CADF, USADA, UKAD, anybody with an alleged stake in clean cycling, ever followed that lead?
Shocker.

He probably received 3 iron shots and was good to go. But Riis was worried Ancient Aliens are sometimes discovered.

 

[gazr99]

Whilst I feel he is partially right, especially regarding genetics, he does ignore the fact that sport science in the last decade or so has improved dramatically especially with the help of modern technology and research, never mind the difference in new bikes. But I do get the point he is making that times being faster today than the epo era raises serious questions.