Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Ricco']

Is there any recent news about that apart from the report that was released in the middle of the week where they confirmed he won't be in Catalunya and left a question mark about Itzulia?

I saw that he was removed yesterday from PCS startlists for Itzulia and the Ardennes, but couldn't find any news that confirmed Itzulia's absence in 100%.

 

[Sciatic]

Vingegaard had same injury two or three years ago (Achilles tendon tendinitis), but recovered very well… Hope Ayuso recovers well, too…

Probably just bad luck… I once had the same at the front side of the ankle, trained too much too early after a break… You learn from it…

To get to know limits, you have to get close to these limits. And it can happen you exceed the limits sometimes. You only know afterwards, sadly…

Get well soon, Ayuso… Take your time.

EDIT: Now, Ayuso has the situation Jan Ullrich had most springs: delayed and delayed his season start (in Jan‘s case, normally until Sarthe in April). In Jan‘s case, probably due to a lack of professionalism - in Ayuso‘s case, it might just be exactly the opposite.

It might not just be a matter of bad luck or poor training—I believe they’ve now identified a gene sequence that shows genetic vulnerability in some individuals for achilles weakness/injury. I guess that would be a different sort of bad luck.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

It might not just be a matter of bad luck or poor training—I believe they’ve now identified a gene sequence that shows genetic vulnerability in some individuals for achilles weakness/injury. I guess that would be a different sort of bad luck.

Ah, that‘s interesting - thank you

Now, serious part:

In some future, if a team knew about gene sequences of potential riders, this could decide if you offer the rider a one- or a seven-year contract, and if he‘ll earn 1 or 8 millions a year. Might become a central issue in every part of our lives, even.

Fun part:

So Ayuso and Pogacar negotiate contracts.

Gianetti to Ayuso: „Sadly, your achilles are prone to injury…“

Gianetti to Pogacar: „Sadly, your hair growth cannot be covered by any bicycle helmet in the world…“

;-)

 

[Krzysztof_O]

More like 380-385W. I would not believe all he says.

I can believe 414 easily when really fresh in a lab setting.

In one interview Dr Inigo Milan said that during PDBF TT Pog did what he's capable of i.e. average of 6.3 w/kg for an hour, which is consistent with this number (414). Keep in mind that lab tests are close to a sea level.

 

[Red Rick]

In one interview Dr Inigo Milan said that during PDBF TT Pog did what he's capable of i.e. average of 6.3 w/kg for an hour, which is consistent with this number (414). Keep in mind that lab tests are close to a sea level.

Yeah I think we're very prone to ignore altitude too much unless it's very high altitude climbs. Also with these fresh lab tests from riders you always get insane numbers being thrown around.

 

[DNP-Old]

La incógnita de Ayuso

El del UAE es la única gran estrella sin debutar este año: “A finales de abril podría ser”, cuentan desde el equipo a AS. Su última carrera fue La Vuelta.

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End of April is the goal they've set for John.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

In one interview Dr Inigo Milan said that during PDBF TT Pog did what he's capable of i.e. average of 6.3 w/kg for an hour, which is consistent with this number (414). Keep in mind that lab tests are close to a sea level.

Doesn't the TT position mean the top riders are losing a significant amount of watt on the TT bike? So the numbers from PDBF TT should be a bit lower than what he could do on a road bike?

 

[Red Rick]

Doesn't the TT position mean the top riders are losing a significant amount of watt on the TT bike? So the numbers from PDBF TT should be a bit lower than what he could do on a road bike?

I think it depends on how aero the position is, but I've seen conflicting numbers about this.

If I remember correctly Roglic' ITT at the 2019 Vuelta was said to be 5.4 W/kg or something and it was said that his PdbF ITT was similar watts?

It could be taht the transition from ITT bike to road bike makes it even more complicated, with maybe certain muscle groups being a bit more fatigued and the road bike enabling you to use a fresher position. Pogs PdbF time was huge and it was around 30% of the ITT in terms of duration.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Doesn't the TT position mean the top riders are losing a significant amount of watt on the TT bike? So the numbers from PDBF TT should be a bit lower than what he could do on a road bike?

You can not push your full power in a TT position. That's why it's a constant trade-off between aero and power. Riders who are more nimble, more flexible, will suffer less to a degree.

 

[Colonel]

In one interview Dr Inigo Milan said that during PDBF TT Pog did what he's capable of i.e. average of 6.3 w/kg for an hour, which is consistent with this number (414). Keep in mind that lab tests are close to a sea level.

How does San Milan know that? There is no data at all from the TT never mind PDBF segment. He also was not at the Tour to see 1st hand.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Doesn't the TT position mean the top riders are losing a significant amount of watt on the TT bike? So the numbers from PDBF TT should be a bit lower than what he could do on a road bike?

True, but on PDBF he did like 6.6-6.7 w/kg, which was a significant part of the whole ITT. The average number is probably too high anyway due to quite a large part of rolling TT.

How does San Milan know that? There is no data at all from the TT never mind PDBF segment. He also was not at the Tour to see 1st hand.

Either Inigo Milan just stated what Pog is capable of and kinda justified his ridiculous PDBF performance or they actually had some data and only stated they didn't (in this case the doctor let the cat out of the bag).

 

[Red Rick]

On the startlist of Itzulia.

 

[ice&fire]

Imagine the UAE show if he had started in Catalunya

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Hope the injury hasn't hampered his development over the winter. Want to see him fight for the title in the Vuelta then go for pink next year

 

[CyclistAbi]

Sending such young cyclists to win GT's. That is basically abuse.Hopefully such trend won't continue.

Heal and take it easy for now.

 

[pastronef]

On the startlist of Itzulia.

no expectations, just race and get the miles in the leg. no hurry. fingers crossed. I really like this rider

 

[gunara]

Sending such young cyclists to win GT's. That is basically abuse.Hopefully such trend won't continue.

Heal and take it easy for now.

Leave Vuelta to a 33-year old

 

[CyclistAbi]

Leave Vuelta to a 33-year old

In general in between 25 and 35 yes. For GT's. If we are talking about going after a win.

 

[Earns1985]

Will start already a few days earlier now at the GP Indurain on saturday!

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[DNP-Old]

He isn't starting, nor will he ride Itzulia.

 

[pastronef]

Matxin said he'd race again by the end of April. I don't know why Procyclingstats has him down for Gp.Indurain and Itzulia

 

[DNP-Old]

Matxin said he'd race again by the end of April. I don't know why Procyclingstats has him down for Gp.Indurain and Itzulia

Provisional startlists that likely been made months ago. Right now, Ayuso isn't doing much more than training rides of just two hours, so basically December pre-training camp hours. Don't think he's anywhere close to competition level.

 

[Offline]

No return in sight for Juan Ayuso as tendinitis lingers: "Until we have the security of a training base, we will not define his calendar"

A tendinitis is wreaking havoc in Juan Ayuso's season. After a brilliant 2022 campaign, the 20-year old is facing his first big challenge in what should be a big pro career, and he is yet to start rac...

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[Lequack]

Darn this must be so frustrating for him.

Some more details:

El Emirates reconoce su inquietud ante las constantes recaídas de un Juan Ayuso que solo ha sido capaz de entrenar dos semanas seguidas desde que arrancó el año

El ciclismo español necesita a Juan Ayuso. Tras su exhibición con solo 19 años en la pasada Vuelta a España donde acabó tercero y se aupó como el más joven de la historia en subirse al podio, todo han sido malas noticias. 204

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The problems began in late January. He was going to debut in the Volta to the Valencian Community when ten days before he began to notice discomfort in the back of his right leg. "We did an ultrasound and a CT scan. We saw there was discomfort in the Achilles Tendon and we decided to stop it for a while. We prefer not to rush to compete," says Josean Fernández Matxín. The tendinitis in the achilles tendon that Juan Ayuso drags should have remitted and allowed him to compete in the Volta a Catalunya and in the Itzulia, but there is no good news and yes there is a lot of concern in the team.

Ayuso has gone to several prestigious traumatologists but they have not yet found the key. 'We've talked to everyone and the best thing is to have four weeks of training in a row. He has been rolling gradually for two weeks and when he exhausts that period, once he has recovered in an absolute way, we will make the decision of the perfect calendar for him," says Fernández Matxín.

 

[Nick2413]

Darn this must be so frustrating for him.

Some more details:

El Emirates reconoce su inquietud ante las constantes recaídas de un Juan Ayuso que solo ha sido capaz de entrenar dos semanas seguidas desde que arrancó el año

El ciclismo español necesita a Juan Ayuso. Tras su exhibición con solo 19 años en la pasada Vuelta a España donde acabó tercero y se aupó como el más joven de la historia en subirse al podio, todo han sido malas noticias. 204

diariodeltriatlon.es

The problems began in late January. He was going to debut in the Volta to the Valencian Community when ten days before he began to notice discomfort in the back of his right leg. "We did an ultrasound and a CT scan. We saw there was discomfort in the Achilles Tendon and we decided to stop it for a while. We prefer not to rush to compete," says Josean Fernández Matxín. The tendinitis in the achilles tendon that Juan Ayuso drags should have remitted and allowed him to compete in the Volta a Catalunya and in the Itzulia, but there is no good news and yes there is a lot of concern in the team.

Ayuso has gone to several prestigious traumatologists but they have not yet found the key. 'We've talked to everyone and the best thing is to have four weeks of training in a row. He has been rolling gradually for two weeks and when he exhausts that period, once he has recovered in an absolute way, we will make the decision of the perfect calendar for him," says Fernández Matxín.

Chronic tendinitis is the most insidious of injuries. Could plague him on and off for his entire career.