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Juan Ayuso discussion thread

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Isn't the Vuelta a Espana a bit more calm actually? Like they fully race out the finishes, but before positioning, crosswinds, the start etc isn't as heavy & important like in other races?

At least that's what Jens Voigt always claims.
Compared to the Tour: yes

Compared to Tour of Denmark: probably not

Probably also more relaxed than the Giro, but I think it applied more when Voigt was 25
 
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Well, there's the penalty for his shenanigans at the Tour de France and his completely wrong season planning!

Congratulations Ayuso for 2 consecutive lost years! Although last year he was slightly hampered by injury!

Good he was / is just 19/21. So it's not war decisive.

Ayuso basically had 1 job given his young age. Focus on the Vuelta a Espana, until he wins it or at least finishes a strong 2nd. And he completely ruined it!
 
I mean for him personally this ironically is good as long as he doesn't have complications from this Covid-19 infection.

Ayuso is going to be fresh and in full shape for the 2024 Vuelta a Espana. Main-favorite depending on how soon Roglic is able to properly train for the race. Plus Mas who obviously rides himself in form for Spain at the Tour de France.

Ayuso won't be worn out from the Tour de France in Spain like potentially Rodriguez.

Question remains however: Was Ayuso fading already because of his illness? Or did he miss base and sharpness due to his early exit from the Dauphine?

It's no excuses however from here on. He needs to justify his ambition and fulfill his potential now. Everything else than 1st or 2nd at the 2024 Vuelta a Espana is a failure!

Arguably, since Roglic doesn't get any younger, Ayuso needs to be a Grand Tour winner this fall even!
I was 100% with you til the last part. Ayuso is 21 years old. He doesn’t have to worry about turning into Geraint Thomas anytime soon.

If it’s this year, that’s great. If not, he’s still got 4 years until he no longer qualifies for the white jersey.
 
Limited in what sense? I mean Almeida is not super versatile but he is a very good climber and a good time trialist that already finished in a Grand Tour podium and currently sits in 4th place overall at the Tour. He deserves to be a leader at the Vuelta.

Anyway, the UAE team for the Vuelta is shaping up to be even more anarchic than the Tour one, Almeia, Yates, potentially Ayuso and Del Toro with McNulty in the mix as well.
If I was McNulty, I’d be looking to buy out of my contract. He’s the Ivan Sosa of UAE (not the same type of rider, but can’t buy his way onto a GT lineup at the moment)
 
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He obviously confused it with no one wants to hear what he thinks

Oh you know it's actually pretty funny often enough. For various reasons, because he is goofy, exited, makes a stupid joke, or just lives in an outright different reality. There's a plethora of possibilities, and like with ancient texts, there is an air of otherness, that forces you to make sense of this different reality if you want to appreciate it.

Quite a marvel.
 
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Maybe time for Denk to make an offer!
Why? So you can be irritated at Ayuso next year and complain about how Roglic’s team isn’t setting him up again and actively riding against him? Maybe they should just trade and send Roglic to UAE.
 
Why? So you can be irritated at Ayuso next year and complain about how Roglic’s team isn’t setting him up again and actively riding against him? Maybe they should just trade and send Roglic to UAE.

I never said Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe is actively riding against Rogla. For Ayuso i am sure that he would pull for Rogla and on top of that they are after next Max Verstappen of cycling, youngsters hence should be lining up.

P.S. As for Rogla changing teams again, no need for that ATM.
 
I was 100% with you til the last part. Ayuso is 21 years old. He doesn’t have to worry about turning into Geraint Thomas anytime soon.

If it’s this year, that’s great. If not, he’s still got 4 years until he no longer qualifies for the white jersey.
I hope that your opinion is the majority. This tectonic shift to right now, 21 is long in the tooth, 21..you are running out of time. Maybe there is just some bizarre disconnect with numbers Remco..24, Pogacar 25 and Vingegaard 27..so in the scheme of things Ayuso has years of worry free development riding using current metrics. Any talk about any quality rider fitting at Movistar is garbage. Movistar is second tier..
 
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I never said Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe is actively riding against Rogla. For Ayuso i am sure that he would pull for Rogla and on top of that they are after next Max Verstappen of cycling, youngsters hence should be lining up.

P.S. As for Rogla changing teams again, no need for that ATM.
But you and others could, considering we saw how it went between Ayuso and Pogacar.
 
Considering Enrico Massi is no longer a rider at TdF, Ayuso would be perfect for Movistar. As would C-Rod, but Ineos somehow got the signature last year. But it seems like a no-brainer to get Ayuso on Movistar at this point tbh with the the way things are looking internally at UAE at the minutes and the plethora of weapons they have available. And after the Vuelta, he won't talk about him no more, but Del Toro instead..

I never really understood that to begin with. Youre insanely driven, yet you sign a long ass extension with UAE with Pog on their hand? Very confusing, especially if youre not even willing to do any kind of job for that rider. Even more puzzling from UAE to even select him instead of doing a classic Vuelta-only schedule where you can fit loads of really good 1 week stage races and then do the slow buildup after Suisse/Dauphine with Burgos + San Sebastian
 
Considering Enrico Massi is no longer a rider at TdF, Ayuso would be perfect for Movistar. As would C-Rod, but Ineos somehow got the signature last year. But it seems like a no-brainer to get Ayuso on Movistar at this point tbh with the the way things are looking internally at UAE at the minutes and the plethora of weapons they have available. And after the Vuelta, he won't talk about him no more, but Del Toro instead..

I never really understood that to begin with. Youre insanely driven, yet you sign a long ass extension with UAE with Pog on their hand? Very confusing, especially if youre not even willing to do any kind of job for that rider. Even more puzzling from UAE to even select him instead of doing a classic Vuelta-only schedule where you can fit loads of really good 1 week stage races and then do the slow buildup after Suisse/Dauphine with Burgos + San Sebastian
Perhaps he's so ambitious / confident that he thought he'd be better than Pogacar in a couple of years?
Movistar make sense from a roster point of view but I reckon they don't have the money to buy him out.
 
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I was 100% with you til the last part. Ayuso is 21 years old. He doesn’t have to worry about turning into Geraint Thomas anytime soon.

If it’s this year, that’s great. If not, he’s still got 4 years until he no longer qualifies for the white jersey.
Time is on his site 100%. I only wanted to slightly criticize that Ayuso has wasted that benefit rather carelessly in the last 2 years!
 
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But you and others could, considering we saw how it went between Ayuso and Pogacar.

That was expected outcome. I even said before the race, Ayuso is too young, to pull. In such way we all expected Pogi will be supported at this Tour edition, he needed a line up of veterans instead. It just doesn't work like that, they were asking for trouble, doing it like that. On top of that all this talk, from team, on how he will now be punished, not riding Vuelta. This talk won't work, all BS, he will ride Vuelta.

Please no!

It's an opportunity and if they are smart they will make an offer.
 
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