Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[velaso montador]

Ayuso is a kid and has the right to defend himself.

You said Ayuso is being punished. So the rest of the argument is BS.

Yates and Almeida proven to be better so make more sense to go with them over him as leaders in Vuelta. You dont expect teams to choose the best riders? Does that upset you? Think most teams select their riders on that criteria. UAE just have alot of options and make more sense to go with Almeida and Yates from a sporting perspective.

UAE dont have free pass its not FDJ.

 

[Salvarani]

Ayuso had disciplinary problems at the TdF.

Then got sick and wasnt training for three weeks at a crucial time. He is just not there mentally nor physically to ride the Vuelta.

He might be disappointed he doesnt get to start, but he has to have some time off and think about things. Get his priorities straight.

What some are saying in here atm, I have no words for tbh.

 

[velaso montador]

You said Ayuso is being punished:



So the rest of your arguments, on how Almeida and Yates are going, due to being better, are BS.

Its not *** they have proven to be in better shape? So make fully sense they chose the best from a sporting perspective, if that upset you thats weird.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Its not *** they have proven to be in better shape? So make fully sense they chose the best from a sporting perspective, if that upset you thats weird.

Do you have any data on that, them being in better shape then Ayuso? And does it really matter, considering if Ayuso would be in much better shape, he would still be punished? By not being allowed to participate at Vuelta 2024. Due to not being a good boy?

 

[velaso montador]

Do you have any data on that, them being in better shape then Ayuso? And does it really matter, considering if Ayuso would be in much better shape, he would still be punished? By not being allowed to participate at Vuelta 2024. Due to not being a good boy?

I would chose my best riders and the ones performing the best too so would any else employer.

The rabbling about good boy or not doesnt matter this isnt kindergarden were every rider should get to ride, Almeida and Yates have performed better so naturally it make sense to chose them as leaders there, couldnt be any easier in a competetive enviroment, basically thats how it works.

 

[carolina]

I don't know about Yates, but Almeida was scheduled to do Tour and Vuelta this season. Ayuso was only supposed to do the Tour.

If he really was away from the bike for 3 weeks, it's likely not a good idea to take him to the Vuelta. He's still very young, I don't think this will affect him that much.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I would chose my best riders and the ones performing the best too so would any else employer.

Yeah, but still it's you who wrote:

Whats the problem? Ayuso is employed if he defy the orders of the employer you dont expect it to be consequences?

So if you are now backing out of this and saying it has nothing to do with the decision, then OK. In your opinion Ayuso then just isn't selected, due to being in bad form and not for his behaviour and being a bad boy. As i got such vibe in this thread, people focusing much more on the latter than the former. When reasoning about the selection.

I don't know about Yates, but Almeida was scheduled to do Tour and Vuelta this season. Ayuso was only supposed to do the Tour.

If he really was away from the bike for 3 weeks, it's likely not a good idea to take him to the Vuelta. He's still very young, I don't think this will affect him that much.

OK, he is in bad form and wasn't planned to do Vuelta in the first place. All good.

 

[velaso montador]

So if you are now backing out of this and saying it has nothing to do with the decision, then OK. In your opinion Ayuso then just isn't selected, due to being in bad form and not for his behaviour and being a bad boy. As i got such vibe in this thread, people focusing much more on the latter than the former. When reasoning about the selection.

Its more so on performance wice and who delivered best performance than anything else for me what I meant by it by team orders/expectations, and he he fails to deliver what was expected from him not anything else - thats only natural as a employer in a competetive enviroment, if thats duo to he was sick or not i dont know im not into the guessing game but nevertheless those two deserve it more based on performance so naturally for me they get it.

Im not into the emotion part and neither do I think they are in a big way, and the end of the day its who deserves it more as it is in every team, just imo. And thats not Ayuso. Also cause he was sick its only natural to think they ahead of him form wice too.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@velaso montador

Got it.

Ayuso is out of form and that is on why he isn't going to Vuelta 2024. Get in shape and you can lead next year then, or i guess at the Tour.

 

[velaso montador]

@velaso montador

Got it.

Ayuso is out of form and that is on why he isn't going to Vuelta 2024. Get in shape and you can lead next year then, or i guess Tour.

Man someone is just better than him and deserve it more from a performance perspective its not rocket science and deeper than that even though it might be for you, perform better and he might have been leader at Vuelta this year yes, such is life.

 

[velaso montador]

Thats how it goes when you're too oblivious to the fact that you're riding with an all time rider at the peak of his powers and still attempt to hide whenever you can for selfish reasons. Very much deserved if he doesn't make the team IMO

Next year or years or whenever he leaves he can ride whatever he wants how he wants, he should just cross his fingers he dont end up on the blacklist.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Next year or years or whenever he leaves he can ride whatever he wants how he wants, he should just cross his fingers he dont end up on the blacklist.

I am confused now. I thought he was in bad form and all he has to do is to get in shape? Anyway, Vuelta is just around the corner and lets see what happens. According to his team the decision will be made in last hour anyway. So Ayuso can still train and get into needed shape.

 

[velaso montador]

I am confused now. I thought he was in bad form and all he has to do is to get in shape? Anyway, Vuelta is just around the corner and lets see what happens. According to his team the decision will be made in last hour anyway. So Ayuso can still train and get into needed shape.

Dont be confused I get its hard. Sporting enviroment/teams base their criterias on performance I get that part is confusing. Yes lets see.

 

[pastronef]

Ayuso, despite his selfish ways and young "star" kid antics, needs NOT to make an Uijtdebroeks. UAE is THE team for him, Matxin knows it, he knows it, him signing with Movistr wil just lead to more pressure, hate from the Movistar haters, and we know how they work (Jorgenson taking things in his own hands to progress there)

 

[Breh]

@velaso montador

Got it.

Ayuso is out of form and that is on why he isn't going to Vuelta 2024. Get in shape and you can lead next year then, or i guess at the Tour.

what

 

[CyclistAbi]

Ayuso, despite his selfish ways and young "star" kid antics, needs NOT to make an Uijtdebroeks. UAE is THE team for him, Matxin knows it, he knows it, him signing with Movistr wil just lead to more pressure, hate from the Movistar haters, and we know how they work (Jorgenson taking things in his own hands to progress there)

It's different indeed, as here Ayuso actually doesn't want to leave the team, he just wants to race. Not only the fans, but the team portraying him as being selfish for that. If we go back, pre Tour interviews, Ayuso actually said, when Pogi will be in good position he will race for himself too. So what exactly is he being punished for? He must have been told that is OK, otherwise why would he be publicly saying it. If the team would made it clear he will go to the Tour only to support Pogi, that was likely not the agreement.

Hence the team is the one that should be punished now, Ayuso riding the Vuelta. And if in best position, for Almeida and Yates to support him in the battle for the overall, that would be adequate.

 

[Squire]

Is there actually any sort of evidence that he is being 'punished'? This whole discussion seems extremely speculative to me. He dropped out of the Tour with illness and wasn't supposed to ride the Vuelta anyway. He might not have had the best preparation to just be chucked into that race now, and the team also has a lot of other riders they need to give some crumbs to. Several riders on the team were probably promised they would ride the Vuelta (some with leadership, like Yates and Almeida) and has had their plans geared towards Vuelta participation for a long time already.

I'll bow down to the greater wisdom of anyone who can show me any quotes from relevant people that Ayuso is being punished, however.

 

[scribers]

You would have to be able to read between the lines. Anyone can see it at this point without needing to be told it.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Squire

Gianetti made it rather clear in interviews and most fans in this thread are rather keen to put much emphasise on things like Ayuso was being selfish at the Tour, as criteria for (non) selection. Imagine if Pogi would not be included in the Tour selection, reason selfish. In the end it's mobbing, that is what this really is. They are trying to man handle a kid.

Keep on fighting Juan!

 

[Salvarani]

Most are saying it was because he was sick and havent been on the bike for three weeks... that might be why he is not starting.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Salvarani

Sure.

 

[tobydawq]

Most are saying it was because he was sick and havent been on the bike for three weeks... that might be why he is not starting.

What do you mean by most?

 

[Salvarani]

What do you mean by most?

As I wrote it.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Most are saying it was because he was sick and havent been on the bike for three weeks... that might be why he is not starting.

Which doesnt make much sense since he was quite decent in Paris and there should be enough time to get better. Remember, Ayuso really isn't great at one day races, particularly not with a route like this one. I think it has very little to do with his level and much more so with his commitment to Pogacar in July and the team's plans of the season and the Vuelta. Also, had Del Toro not performed the way he has, that particular spot would be Juan's I think. 2 1/2 protected riders should be enough, and you also have a bunch of very talented riders like McNulty etc. who has been promised to ride this race most likely.

 

[Salvarani]

Which doesnt make much sense since he was quite decent in Paris and there should be enough time to get better. Remember, Ayuso really isn't great at one day races, particularly not with a route like this one. I think it has very little to do with his level and much more so with his commitment to Pogacar in July and the team's plans of the season and the Vuelta. Also, had Del Toro not performed the way he has, that particular spot would be Juan's I think. 2 1/2 protected riders should be enough, and you also have a bunch of very talented riders like McNulty etc. who has been promised to ride this race most likely.

Maybe Ayuso was just never supposed to ride the Vuelta and it became and after-thought when he dropped out. Then he got sick and was bad in the Olympics.

It doesnt seem in anyones best interest that he would start.

I dont understand why some people are suddenly on "team Ayuso". It is just because they dont like UAE.