Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Mayomaniac]

and I hope Ayuso understands this and is aware he can do it with UAE. I think Gianetti and Ayuso got a little carried away in July /same as journos and fans) but Ayuso is there to stay. he just needs to read Jorgenson's interview about how he had to deal himself with training and performance while at Movistar

Implying that Ayuso wouldn't just bring Dr. San Millan and knowledge about UAE's inner working with him...

 

[Mako]

and I hope Ayuso understands this and is aware he can do it with UAE. I think Gianetti and Ayuso got a little carried away in July /same as journos and fans) but Ayuso is there to stay. he just needs to read Jorgenson's interview about how he had to deal himself with training and performance while at Movistar

Exactly this. If he goes to Movistar he might as well throw his career away. Or sit out the rest of his contract at some beach while being paid by UAE. Same result

 

[Jan the Man]

No way, Gianetti would never allow for it, the rest is BS. So, what is the next GT for Ayuso then? Vuelta or Giro 2025? Or doing the Tour again, where riding for Pogi?

I would take the quotes from the rider and team at face value rather than this ongoing speculation.

He would do well to focus on the Giro next year where depending on Almeida’s plans he could have sole leadership.

 

[yaco]

As if Movistar is the only option if Ayuso changes teams.

 

[Rou]

I agree with CyclistAbi about the Ayuso situation. I think Ayuso is on a good level but they won't let him do the Vuelta because of the Tour events and Gianneti. Ayuso at the Olympics was at his high level. That's why he finished with Pedersen's group on 22nd place (only 2:20 mins down). Now they are giving these media explanations about Ayuso's plans for Canada and so on. Well, he will be on water carrying duties for Pog in Canada. They will give him a second chance next year but if an accident like Galibier repeats Ayuso will become the next Diego Ulissi or Marc Hirshi.

 

[Escarabajo]

The thing about Ayuso is that he is Matxin's favourite. Matxin has put so much time and effort into Ayuso/ has acted as a mentor to him that he won't let Ayuso go. He wants a spaniard to win the TDF and he wants it to be Ayuso.

Well, that could be true but He is riding in the same team with Pogacar. There is so much that Matxin can do about that.
Maybe if we read between lines he is on the way out and a agreement was reached. Who knows. If he wants to be a leader he needs to get out of UAE.

 

[Salvarani]

He's confirmed not to start the Vuelta, by mutual agreement with the team, after realising during his training rides that he's far from his best condition.

Ayuso, ausente en La Vuelta: “Fue algo mutuo con el equipo y de mejor interés para el futuro”

Juan no irá a La Vuelta. “Desde el Tour nunca volví a mi nivel”, dice a AS el del UAE por el COVID. “Es un Patrimonio para nosotros”, añade Matxín.

as.com

As been said and not a punishment.

It wasnt in the plans he would do the Vuelta, nor does he have the form to compete now. He has not had a good preparation to be ready to ride a good GC, so whats the point.

 

[Salvarani]

Well, that could be true but He is riding in the same team with Pogacar. There is so much that Matxin can do about that.
Maybe if we read between lines he is on the way out and a agreement was reached. Who knows. If he wants to be a leader he needs to get out of UAE.

He can be leader in many races, but was adamant about doing the Tour this year and got what he wanted. Where he knew he wasnt going to lead. Still he went. Then tried to force himself into the Vuelta team, when that had never been the plan this year that he would do. While not prepared enough.

Up to him how he goes forward but maybe it can be a chance to mature and improve further.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I mean we had our fun, knowing there will likely be frictions at the Tour and all that. And indeed it delivered. But now punishing the kid for the mistakes of the management, to put the kid in such situation in the first place, that is just wrong. Decision is now on Ayuso if he still feels UAE is the best place for him, or not. Relations are in my opinion tainted but then again in cycling things can change over night. So i guess we'll see on how this unfolds in the future. Will the long Covid drag on for years or, hopefully, a better solution to emerge.

 

[Salvarani]

Not a punishment, when he wasnt scheduled to do the Vuelta nor being in any form to compete for GC.

Almeida/Yates was promised leadership in the Vuelta and Del Toro riding his first GT.

Ayuso cant demand to get a spot because he failed at the Tour, much by his own doings.

It is not how it works and it is not a punishment. It is the reality.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Ayuso cant demand to get a spot because he failed at the Tour, much by his own doings.

Still punishment, if Ayuso punished himself.

P.S. But OK, it's over now and lets give kid a break. As UAE management was reluctant to do so, we can, the fans.

 

[Salvarani]

It is not a punishment and he cant force himself into the Vuelta team, when he wasnt scheduled for it. He is not on that level. The others have prepared and been promised leadership. Have shown great form.

He was only supposed to do the Tour, his own wishes before the season.

Indeed, give him a break.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

I mean we had our fun, knowing there will likely be frictions at the Tour and all that. And indeed it delivered. But now punishing the kid for the mistakes of the management, to put the kid in such situation in the first place, that is just wrong. Decision is now on Ayuso if he still feels UAE is the best place for him, or not. Relations are in my opinion tainted but then again in cycling things can change over night. So i guess we'll see on how this unfolds in the future. Will the long Covid drag on for years or, hopefully, a better solution to emerge.

He's not a kid. He's an adult.
Mistakes of management to put the adult in such a situation? What, wait, but wouldn't according to your "logic" making him ride the vuelta be another mistake of management? Putting him in a potentially difficult situation. Make up your mind.

The punishing at this point simply is something you made up, like you make up "multiple interviews", but only come up with 1 non-interview, like you make up management mistakes.

 

[Valv.Piti]

From my couch perspective his best shot would be going for Giro 2025 and then see how it pans out. Maybe afterwards go for Vuelta and be at least 2nd top dog if his Giro is good and Pog is at the Vuelta.

Giro + Vuelta seems a very obvious one for Ayuso. He can get to lead one of these GTs, at least as a co-leader. This just seems like a lost season at this point (okay, maybe not lost, but at least unfullfilled with DNF at Dauphine + Tour and no Vuelta) unless he brings the good in the classics because there's literally no stage racing for a rider like him at this point IMO. You have Canada with Pog going, then you have Worlds and some Italian classics where Pog will lead Lombardia. Lol. Not much room there, but he has had a quite long season with heavy racing in the spring at least.

Realistically, what races will he even do? Pologne would have made the most sense I think but thats not happening now.

 

[hayneplane]

He's confirmed not to start the Vuelta, by mutual agreement with the team, after realising during his training rides that he's far from his best condition.

Ayuso, ausente en La Vuelta: “Fue algo mutuo con el equipo y de mejor interés para el futuro”

Juan no irá a La Vuelta. “Desde el Tour nunca volví a mi nivel”, dice a AS el del UAE por el COVID. “Es un Patrimonio para nosotros”, añade Matxín.

as.com

That sounds like PR management in public. I genuinely don’t think many people in the team ever wanted to select him for the Vuelta roster .

 

[Salvarani]

That sounds like PR management in public. I genuinely don’t think many people in the team ever wanted to select him for the Vuelta roster .

It is not about ever wanting to select him though.

The decision was already made before the season and he himself was really adamant about wanting to do the Tour. He got what he wanted.

Almeida/Yates was promised Vuelta leadership with Del Toro getting to ride his first GT.

They already had a practice run leading a race together in Suisse. Btw, who else was there? You guessed it! Del Toro.

UAE just standing on business and going with what they had decided for each rider and the team going into this season.

Thats not a punishment, thats just saying no and looking out for his best interests longterm. Maybe it has sunk in for him as well, hopefully.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It makes total sense. As all the praise Ayuso got, from fans all over the social media, after Galibier, we can clearly conclude he is now being rewarded. He never wanted to do Vuelta and the team has now granted him that wish.

For sure.

 

[Salvarani]

Thats not what is being said at all.

It is just not a punishment.

 

[Berniece]

He's not a kid. He's an adult.

He’s a kid though. I don’t know him personally so it’s hard to estimate but some people just mature at a later age. Look at Evenepoel, the difference between him as a 19-year old and now.

I don’t feel it’s mgmt mistakes, but his own. Hopefully he learns from them, would show us that he’s growing.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Salvarani

OK i get it, all seem to agree Ayuso did something and should learn from it. Some already see him at Movistar and cycling oriented news sites are expressing such opinion:

OPINION | Juan Ayuso must leave UAE if he wants to make the most of his career potential

We don't know what is really going on inside UAE Team Emirates with Juan Ayuso, but from the outside it seems clear: Juan Ayuso must leave the UAE team if he wants to fight for a Grand Tour win in the...

cyclinguptodate.com

But no, heck no, Ayuso isn't being punished, he is being rewarded! That is what all this is, it makes total sense.

 

[houtdffan]

If he cannot be a team player, he should be sentenced to the next 4 years of doing no race higher than a .2

See if he ever gets another big contract

 

[proffate]

Possible Trade: Ayuso to Ineos, CRod to UAE;
Ayuso to Israel-Premiere Tech, Riccitello to UAE;
Ayuso to Lidl-Trek, Ciccone to UAE

Riccitello aka the new Kenny ellisonde is unlikely to be a big winner and physically incapable of being a useful dom. Doesn't uae play moneyball with compound scores? Little Ricci doesn't have a good one I'm afraid.

Ayuso to movistar is probably best for UAE as it ensures he never becomes a GC threat.

 

[Mayomaniac]

If he cannot be a team player, he should be sentenced to the next 4 years of doing no race higher than a .2

See if he ever gets another big contract

He can easily pull a Cian Offthebooks to get out of his contract, if that happens.

 

[Salvarani]

@Salvarani

OK i get it, all seem to agree Ayuso did something and should learn from it. Some already see him at Movistar and cycling oriented news sites are expressing such opinion:

OPINION | Juan Ayuso must leave UAE if he wants to make the most of his career potential

We don't know what is really going on inside UAE Team Emirates with Juan Ayuso, but from the outside it seems clear: Juan Ayuso must leave the UAE team if he wants to fight for a Grand Tour win in the...

cyclinguptodate.com

But no, heck no, Ayuso isn't being punished, he is being rewarded! That is what all this is, it makes total sense.

No one is saying he is being punished nor rewarded.

You just got it wrong or don’t understand.

Plan wasnt for him to do the Vuelta.

Team said no to change plans.

Thats neither of those things you are suggesting.

If he is mad about or feel some type of way, he just doesnt like to be told no. If he wanna leave because of it, up to him to find a way to get out.

 

[houtdffan]

He can easily pull a Cian Offthebooks to get out of his contract, if that happens.

and where is he going to get 100M Euros?