Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Salvarani]

Jesus christ… just give it a rest and let it go.

 

[Salvarani]

If you just said this to begin with, most people who have responded to you wouldn't take so much issue with it, they would just disagree because multi-million dollar businesses don't operate on childish emotions. The main problem is you stating your interpretation as a fact.

Exactly. 👍

 

[Lequack]

Matxin on Juan Ayuso and #LaVuelta24 "He called me and told me 'I've done several tests and I don't feel fit to face the race'. I wasn't recovering well and he gave up the idea of being the first reserve"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824330477030814105

View: https://x.com/Farolillo_Rouge/status/1824330477030814105

 

[Coffeeplanter]

How will @CyclistAbi ever recover from this tweet?

 

[noob]

Matxin on Juan Ayuso and #LaVuelta24 "He called me and told me 'I've done several tests and I don't feel fit to face the race'. I wasn't recovering well and he gave up the idea of being the first reserve"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824330477030814105

View: https://x.com/Farolillo_Rouge/status/1824330477030814105

Gave up on the idea of being the first reserve? Is any reserve going?

 

[Mako]

What does it matter anyways. Actions speak louder than words, we'll see where good old Juan goes next year in terms of races.

 

[ice&fire]

How will @CyclistAbi ever recover from this tweet?

Easy peasy: calling it PR BS

 

[CyclistAbi]

How will @CyclistAbi ever recover from this tweet?

All i can say is Ayuso for sure doesn't look fit to race. So it indeed was the right call, to let Gianetti take the first reserve spot.

 

[RJH]

Really suffered health wise recently apparently. Otherwise UAE would’ve taken him to the Tour certainly.

2024 without a finished GT is not ideal for his development certainly but it is what it is.

First this achilles tendon case then Covid apparently. He had his fair share of bad luck. But in the long term it‘ll make him stronger.

 

[balac]

Yesterday, spanish TV well connected guy said that Matxin is talking PR BS, and there are definitely problems. Was said that Ineos made an offer but Gianetti referred them to Ayuso's clause.
Another article came up today in Spanish media about the Ineos offer about Ayuso. Was also said that his salary is around 3M/year.

And the Spanish coach Momparler, said in an interview today that Ayuso was perfect to go for the Olympic games and confirmed his selection for Zurich.

We will see if they can solve their problems or he ends up leaving and where.

 

[houtdffan]

unless he can come up with 100M euro, he can ride the .2 races for the next 4 years

Pog has every right to have a team of dedicated donkeys. No room to do your own thing

 

[ice&fire]

Movistar has contacted Juan's father to ask a few questions:

Movistar mueve ficha para conseguir el fichaje de Juan Ayuso

El equipo navarro ha conocido de primera mano cuáles serían las exigencias a nivel económico y deportivas de la joven estrella española y estarían dispuestos a hacer un esfuerzo por convencerle.

diariodeltriatlon.es

 

[Offline]

Yesterday, spanish TV well connected guy said that Matxin is talking PR BS, and there are definitely problems. Was said that Ineos made an offer but Gianetti referred them to Ayuso's clause.
Another article came up today in Spanish media about the Ineos offer about Ayuso. Was also said that his salary is around 3M/year.

And the Spanish coach Momparler, said in an interview today that Ayuso was perfect to go for the Olympic games and confirmed his selection for Zurich.

We will see if they can solve their problems or he ends up leaving and where.

3M/year. Than he just have to work for 33.3 years for buying himself out. Good luck
Ineos or Movistar will not do it.

 

[Red Rick]

unless he can come up with 100M euro, he can ride the .2 races for the next 4 years

Pog has every right to have a team of dedicated donkeys. No room to do your own thing

Yates and Almeida doing their own GC meanwhile

 

[balac]

3M/year. Than he just have to work for 33.3 years for buying himself out. Good luck
Ineos or Movistar will not do it.

A judge tears up that clause in a moment for being abusive, let's be real.

But it won't get there, either Matxin and Ayuso find common ground or some team will pay an amount and he will leave.

 

[Mayomaniac]

A judge tears up that clause in a moment for being abusive, let's be real.

But it won't get there, either Matxin and Ayuso find common ground or some team will pay an amount and he will leave.

Pretty much this.

 

[Offline]

A judge tears up that clause in a moment for being abusive, let's be real.

But it won't get there, either Matxin and Ayuso find common ground or some team will pay an amount and he will leave.

Abusive?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yesterday, spanish TV well connected guy said that Matxin is talking PR BS, and there are definitely problems. Was said that Ineos made an offer but Gianetti referred them to Ayuso's clause.
Another article came up today in Spanish media about the Ineos offer about Ayuso. Was also said that his salary is around 3M/year.

And the Spanish coach Momparler, said in an interview today that Ayuso was perfect to go for the Olympic games and confirmed his selection for Zurich.

We will see if they can solve their problems or he ends up leaving and where.

Makes sense to me, it smelled like a PR stunt a mile away. 2 weeks ago Ayuso did perfectly fine at the Olympics on a very bad route for him, he was obviously going quite alright. Seems total baloney to me that he literally asked NOT to be part of the team in his home race with Remco, Jonas and Tadej absent! Something is very fishy, and I really hope he goes to Ineos or, of course, specifically Movistar. We could really use a leader like him, young and a bunch of talent. Enric is great, but he needs help and he really isn't cutting it in TdF.

 

[Lequack]

 

[xo 1]

Makes sense to me, it smelled like a PR stunt a mile away. 2 weeks ago Ayuso did perfectly fine at the Olympics on a very bad route for him, he was obviously going quite alright. Seems total baloney to me that he literally asked NOT to be part of the team in his home race with Remco, Jonas and Tadej absent! Something is very fishy, and I really hope he goes to Ineos or, of course, specifically Movistar. We could really use a leader like him, young and a bunch of talent. Enric is great, but he needs help and he really isn't cutting it in TdF.

Movistar seems like the perfect fit.

 

[noob]

Abusive?

Ayusive

 

[Rob5091]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...unfit-for-la-vuelta-he-told-me-he-was-perfect

Well according to the Spanish national coach, Pascual Momparler, in conversation with Marca, Ayuso was in a more than capable shape and that's exactly why he was taken to the recent Paris Olympic Games. "No, no. Juan Ayuso was perfect. If he came it was because he was perfect. I don't know who he told that he wasn't, but he told me he was perfect. And I don't regret having taken him," the coach explains.

Original article at -
https://www.marca.com/ciclismo/vuelta-espana/2024/08/19/66c2021546163f61778b4593.html

 

[Unchained]

It is not about ever wanting to select him though.

The decision was already made before the season and he himself was really adamant about wanting to do the Tour. He got what he wanted.

Almeida/Yates was promised Vuelta leadership with Del Toro getting to ride his first GT.

They already had a practice run leading a race together in Suisse. Btw, who else was there? You guessed it! Del Toro.

UAE just standing on business and going with what they had decided for each rider and the team going into this season.

Thats not a punishment, thats just saying no and looking out for his best interests longterm. Maybe it has sunk in for him as well, hopefully.

Just to be clear, I am a big Del Toro fan, to the extent of personal attacks here about over discussing his potential[[content deleted]]. Del Toro is 20 ,still doesn't have volume needed for long classics and he appears a little listless in longer harder stages ..he finishes sure, but void of snap and punch. Team would have to be scientific, he can't go an hour at limit and be of any use for a day or two.. There was no dress rehearsal for leadership for young Isaac, he is certainly ready to win, 3 this season, but 3 week stage race, ITT parity keeping it close amongst elite, he is not there.... Yet. He's20

 

[Unchained]

If you just said this to begin with, most people who have responded to you wouldn't take so much issue with it, they would just disagree because multi-million dollar businesses don't operate on childish emotions. The main problem is you stating your interpretation as a fact.

More and more you are proven wrong, as CyclistAbi points out.. Cycling is on the outside of normal sports franchise business models. No TV revenue, no organization for merchandise or licensing, no playoffs or championship, and no conspicuous events that hype and have the best compete against each other.. For lack of a better term..a cycling cluster f-ck. The people can't figure out how to monetize the sport.. Individuals are figuring out a way..it's a cult..programs starting and ending wo notice.. Don't know if the team you are following will exist next year!!! Spend @$100 on a Visma or Bora jersey to find out it's the cycling equivalent of a leisure suit!! The sport is all about the emotions of oil sheikhs or someone else w cash or credit..
Look at ownership of major sports.. Cycling completely different, in flux..Ayuso can and will go to highest bidder, he can break his contract based on a bad mood or insult or in big oil or Richard Plugge decides.. Pro cycling is arbitrary, whimsical.. Not a truly professional sport and certainly operates on childish emotions.
Ayuso is double angry, all positive.. He is riding well, so is Pogacar and organization doesn't pick him to dance.. If things shape up, UAE development and recruiting have guys waiting in line for Pogacar to vacation, get injured or turn 45..if you have something, good luck showing it w Pogacar as designated leader..
If Ayuso thinks he can do better, there is nothing stopping him, pro cycling rules and contracts, doping policy is toilet paper..

 

[Salvarani]

Just to be clear, I am a big Del Toro fan, to the extent of personal attacks here about over discussing his potential[[content deleted]]. Del Toro is 20 ,still doesn't have volume needed for long classics and he appears a little listless in longer harder stages ..he finishes sure, but void of snap and punch. Team would have to be scientific, he can't go an hour at limit and be of any use for a day or two.. There was no dress rehearsal for leadership for young Isaac, he is certainly ready to win, 3 this season, but 3 week stage race, ITT parity keeping it close amongst elite, he is not there.... Yet. He's20

Didnt say he was going to be leader, thats Yates/Almeida for this race. Del Toro was just mentioned as being part of the team here and one for the future, for sure. He is here to learn but also test himself, but woulnt surprise anyone if he does really well.