Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[noob]

I can't find any reason Ayuso might threaten Jonas at the Vuelta

it depends on what shape Almeida is in.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I can't find any reason Ayuso might threaten Jonas at the Vuelta

Only way Ayuso could threaten Vingo is verbally.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Ayuso would work for Rogla.

 

[noob]

Only way Ayuso could threaten Vingo is verbally.

With a devilish smile Ayuso is seen whispering in Jonas ear;

Spoiler: nsfw

"Trine told me you can't satisfy her so I offered to..."

 

[Cycling111]

If Ayuso couldn't handle a twilight Roglic in Catalunya, against Vingegaard he'll be a toy in her hands.

This year, the most he's proven is that he's at Roglic's (current Roglic) level, which clearly isn't what he used to be. And he didn't even finish beating him in the race.

Ayuso hasn't done more than Lipowitz in a GT. Until he proves otherwise, I don't understand such favoritism.

 

[YavorD]

Imagine the scenes in the thread if Ayuso drops Vingegaard on Angliru and wins the Vuelta.

 

[Cycling111]

Imagine the scenes in the thread if Ayuso drops Vingegaard on Angliru and wins the Vuelta.

Well, we'll say he's evolved, and Vingegaard will probably be tired from the Tour. But until then, we'll judge based on what's happened. We can't comment on something that, to this day, has never even come close to happening.

If Pogacar loses the Tour to Lipowitz next year, we'll judge accordingly, but we can't comment months before on something that has been far from happening.

We've been reading this about Ayuso for three years. If he ever achieves this, it won't invalidate the opinions based on the facts of these three years. Last year, I remember reading that Ayuso could be stronger than Pogacar in the Tour and World Championships. There may be a hypothesis, but until it happens, there's been no evidence to support it.

So far, his best performance has been at the level of Rogic 2025 in Catalunya. That's an objective fact, not an opinion.

 

[Cycling111]

They promised Almeida he'd be the team leader if Pogacar didn't go, and now they're bringing in Ayuso as co-leader.

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that the news about the team's departure was a pressure tactic from Ayuso to get him to the Vuelta.

It's true that UAE doesn't want his young
riders to do two GTs in the same year, so as not to burn them out for the future. Suddenly, they don't see him as any less young.

It's been blackmail.

This guy leaks everything to the same two journalists.

This time, he didn't even respect Pogacar's desire to communicate his decision.

He should be more careful about these things and respect his teammates. Pogacar said the other day that he would communicate his decision. Ayuso's entourage has been doing it for days.

Will they still be saying that this guy is mistreated by his team? He gets opportunities every year. The one who should be upset is Almeida.

 

[Red Rick]

I might just be goaded into rooting for Ayuso this Vuelta.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If Ayuso want to be the leader at the Tour he will have to change teams. At the moment he isnt even undisputed #2 in the team.

 

[Squire]

I might just be goaded into rooting for Ayuso this Vuelta.

Same, if not for the fact that both Vingegaard and Almeida are in my CQ team.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Does he even have fans? Fans of him, not Pogacar haters.

 

[Cycling111]

I might just be goaded into rooting for Ayuso this Vuelta.

So we already know that he won't win 😅

Does he even have fans? Fans of him, not Pogacar haters.

Given the accuracy of their predictions based on the desire for Pogacar not to win or for others to win so he doesn't win, Ayuso can consider himself jinxed. LOL

 

[fenns]

massive pressure to deliver at the Vuelta

 

[pastronef]

Does he even have fans? Fans of him, not Pogacar haters.

yes, don't use the twitter/forum echo-chamber to see if he has fans. there's normal people who likes cycling outside of these web pages, that are not haters or looking for petty stuff to cheer or dislike a rider.

 

[noob]

Does he even have fans? Fans of him, not Pogacar haters.

A rider getting hate will make some of us like him! Fan behaviour very often shapes how we see a rider. If a rider is loved he will get hate. If a rider is hated he will get love.

And: if you hate someone too much you end up becoming their fan. (Wang Ye in I am Nobody)

 

[pastronef]

And: if you hate someone too much you end up becoming their fan. (Wang Ye in I am Nobody)

yes. I'm a Froome fan, but his dearest haters on here and twitter follow/followed him very much closer than me. reading EVERY piece, checking every photograph, stalking every move in and out of the races

 

[noob]

yes. I'm a Froome fan, but his dearest haters on here and twitter follow/followed him very much closer than me. reading EVERY piece, checking every photograph, stalking every move in and out of the races

Yup I remember your story about how you became his fan. I myself hated on; Roglic, Almeida, Remco, Wout. Still on the fence with MvdP.
And now Ayuso. I cherish my hatred so it makes me bummed that Gianetti looks so amicable.

 

[Red Rick]

Does he even have fans? Fans of him, not Pogacar haters.

He does now. Even if I am the Juan and Onley

 

[Gratemans]

A rider getting hate will make some of us like him! Fan behaviour very often shapes how we see a rider. If a rider is loved he will get hate. If a rider is hated he will get love.

And: if you hate someone too much you end up becoming their fan. (Wang Ye in I am Nobody)

Ah, so that's how I ended up cheering for Valverde when he became WC

 

[SafeBet]

Does he even have fans? Fans of him, not Pogacar haters.

Big fan here after his Giro debacle. I always cheer for riders who are struggling for whatever reason.

 

[noob]

They promised Almeida he'd be the team leader if Pogacar didn't go, and now they're bringing in Ayuso as co-leader.

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that the news about the team's departure was a pressure tactic from Ayuso to get him to the Vuelta.

It's true that UAE doesn't want his young
riders to do two GTs in the same year, so as not to burn them out for the future. Suddenly, they don't see him as any less young.

It's been blackmail.

This guy leaks everything to the same two journalists.

This time, he didn't even respect Pogacar's desire to communicate his decision.

He should be more careful about these things and respect his teammates. Pogacar said the other day that he would communicate his decision. Ayuso's entourage has been doing it for days.

Will they still be saying that this guy is mistreated by his team? He gets opportunities every year. The one who should be upset is Almeida.

Or it might just be vuelta themselves that wants the currently (probably) best Spanish rider in the Spanish race.

 

[staubsauger]

Or it might just be vuelta themselves that wants the currently (probably) best Spanish rider in the Spanish race.

Has Ayuso even trained properly for the Vuelta a Espana or has he been a livewurst the past few weeks?

Of course in theory Ayuso is much more likely to beat Vingegaard than Almeida and should be captain over the Portuguese. In practice however Ayuso hasn't gotten his act together, is about to hit Evgeni Berzin territory and Almeida is the much safer bet to archive a podium spot at the 2025 Vuelta a Espana!

I'm not convinced at all Ayuso has been determined in his preparation to be ready to perform at his best at the Vuelta a Espana. Meanwhile Almeida has shown great fighting spirit at the Tour de Suisse and earned his time to shine in Spain.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Ayoso to try and follow Vingegaards attacks, while Almeida is yo-yoing behind and comes back in the final kilometer. Could be absolute cinema.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Remember Joao actually beat Jonas on a MTF in Paris-Nice and that he has shown an incredible level this year. Ayuso is more the wildcard as staubsauger points out, but both of these riders at 100% and this race won't be easy for Jonas at all IMO. Jonas was very good in Spain in 2023, but still not at his best. Should have won the race though.

Who else can challenge Jonas and UAE? Enriki Mas is interesting as usual, but lacks the final bit in order to win. Maybe Bora will show up with the big guns? They are already bringingg Hindley and Giulio, but how about Lipo and Roglic? I think the latter should race. Landa is interesting, but like Mas, doubt he has the top end level anymore. Maybe Gall? Vuelta is pretty bad for him though. Bernal and Gee will probably line up along with Carapaz as well, he's probably the most interesting out of the bunch.