JV Goes Whole Hog

[Race Radio]

Check the Hog's tweets.... he's been grounded by the UCI so in his spare time he's cooked up a plan with JayV.

Just checked the ****ter....nothing really there.

The Chelsea hillbilly has many more things to worry about. He might not even have a team next year.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Moose is lost. What is this about, the new Clean Cycling Confederation p/b Hog and Fraudghters?

 

[MacRoadie]

JV Goes Whole Hog

I guess it's better than going "Full ***"...

isn't it?

 

[hrotha]

It's more like going full Sith.

 

[thehog]

Just checked the ****ter....nothing really there.

The Chelsea hillbilly has many more things to worry about. He might not even have a team next year.

"I've been laying the framework for something great... But you'll just have to wait and see..."

 

[Race Radio]

"I've been laying the framework for something great... But you'll just have to wait and see..."

He may be talking about the Nissan deal.

A sure way to poison the well would be to have the Hog have a major role.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Postulations

1. I can see how RCS could be driving the concept of a new federation. They are the red-headed step-child to ASO with Pat consistently disparaging RCS's Giro.

2. I can see Tailwind driving the new federation. They know the money side of the show, they've got Pharmstrong to shake hands, they've got money and the lack of ethics needed to work bribes. They are as bad, if not worse than Pat and Hein.

3. The only thing related to doping they will do is repeat, 'This federation is clean! We're NOT the UCI... Right now we don't have the resources for a perfect anti-doping program, but everyone involved promises not to do bad things' From there, the athletes will be free to dope and the new federation will encourage it.

As much as any director sportif may make a new pro federation happen, they need a long schedule and live video feed at the events.

 

[Cobblestones]

This. I love that Vaughters and CN and everyone else is evoking the NBA, the NFL, F1, etc. as models. Really? The only reason the general public thinks cycling is the dirtiest sport is b/c these other sports don't use adequate controls.

Privatizing a league = more PED use to increase profit and less incentive to pursue cheaters. If only Sinkewitz would have gone for another year without getting popped, he could be on the 2013 Tour podium.

C'mon, Vaughters. Don't base your model on these ethical failures/economic successes.

Tibbs has a sad.

+1

I just put up a post in the other thread, but that is precisely it. A private league would be a free for all. Not different than NHL, MLB, NFL etc. Soccer in Europe is also squeaky 'clean' if you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

+1

I just put up a post in the other thread, but that is precisely it. A private league would be a free for all. Not different than NHL, MLB, NFL etc. Soccer in Europe is also squeaky 'clean' if you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

Well, the UCI pays lip service to anti-doping and maybe so would this professional league. So what's the difference?

 

[Cobblestones]

Well, the UCI pays lip service to anti-doping and maybe so would this professional league. So what's the difference?

WADA. Presumably, they wouldn't oversee this private enterprise any more.

 

[Master50]

Why do we have a clinic header if we just put every subject there?
I read so many tear the UCI down threads it is hard to believe this thread is indignant or at least the thread starter is indignant.
If the separate league starts I doubt you will ever see its members in an Olympic cycling event. That is just the start.
Before Pros were allowed to race in the olympics there were 2 leagues FICP and FIAC or pro and amateurs. Maybe we go back to that.
The sport has been struggling with governance for a long time and the power of the organizers is the biggest issue. Recently the lack of power for teams has been growing as a bigger issue than most realized.

Regardless which side of the fence you sit on we are not going to get to a solution soon. All three sides have power issues and money issues. Doping is another. While we seek the wonder days of yore where radioless riders were underpaid and pawns in a grand scheme maybe another alternative is emerging? Looks entertaining to me.

 

[Race Radio]

WADA. Presumably, they wouldn't oversee this private enterprise any more.

Maybe Catlin could do it?

McQuaid says Riis and the Hog are driving the bus.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...eagues-Grand-Tours-and-the-Olympic-Games.aspx

 

[Escarabajo]

Maybe Catlin could do it?

McQuaid says Riis and the Hog are driving the bus.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...eagues-Grand-Tours-and-the-Olympic-Games.aspx

LOL.

Would it be any doping tests at all?

 

[D-Queued]

Why do we have a clinic header if we just put every subject there?
I read so many tear the UCI down threads it is hard to believe this thread is indignant or at least the thread starter is indignant.
If the separate league starts I doubt you will ever see its members in an Olympic cycling event. That is just the start.
Before Pros were allowed to race in the olympics there were 2 leagues FICP and FIAC or pro and amateurs. Maybe we go back to that.
The sport has been struggling with governance for a long time and the power of the organizers is the biggest issue. Recently the lack of power for teams has been growing as a bigger issue than most realized.

Regardless which side of the fence you sit on we are not going to get to a solution soon. All three sides have power issues and money issues. Doping is another. While we seek the wonder days of yore where radioless riders were underpaid and pawns in a grand scheme maybe another alternative is emerging? Looks entertaining to me.

All points well taken. Money and drugs are both inextricably linked and diametrically opposed.

With the examples of the pro leagues in other sports, there are underlying strains for the international governing body to be all things to all athletes and audiences.

Unfortunately, in the case of Cycling, the UCI continues to demonstrate exceptionally slow progress if not impotence on the critical issues like doping while pursuing ill-advised concepts like bike stickers instead.

Nobody appears to be getting served well - not the enthusiasts, the amateurs or the pros. This is not as simple a problem as the UCI trying to do too many things for too many different groups.

Where there is poor leadership, there will be revolts. The UCI appears to have been too long subservient to the team managers by shielding 'favored' riders and teams from doping control. That is not a path to earn or keep respect - let alone increase the monetary value of the Pro Tour. And, for the pros, having an overseeing organization tainted with doping issues does not help increase the value of the franchise or sponsorship contracts.

As noted, given the examples in many other sports, perhaps the UCI should not be trying to run the 'pro leagues'. At the same time, though, everyone would be better off if the UCI got its priorities straight and focused on what is important instead of penalizing bike manufacturers and amateurs for what is not.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Lance was cocky but he knew he had to suck the UCI's co3k. The Hog was the same. To win he had to pay the bribes. Floyd wasnt smart enough to know he had to put it back in his pants when it came to the UCi. Lance warned him.. "don't mess with these guys" - now the hog is happy to leave world of paying off the UCI... I can see that... For this we have to drop our prejudice...

 

[D-Queued]

Lance was cocky but he knew he had to suck the UCI's co3k. The Hog was the same. To win he had to pay the bribes. Floyd wasnt smart enough to know he had to put it back in his pants when it came to the UCi. Lance warned him.. "don't mess with these guys" - now the hog is happy to leave world of paying off the UCI... I can see that... For this we have to drop our prejudice...

Fee rates rising faster than inflation?

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why do we have a clinic header if we just put every subject there?
I read so many tear the UCI down threads it is hard to believe this thread is indignant or at least the thread starter is indignant.
If the separate league starts I doubt you will ever see its members in an Olympic cycling event. That is just the start.

There are sports that aren't in the olympics with large monetized fan bases. These guys know there is money to be made and Pat's still angling to keep the largest chunk.

Recently the lack of power for teams has been growing as a bigger issue than most realized.

This is the argument put forth by some at the director sportif level, probably to meet an unrelated goal. I would argue the 'power' is more about the director sportif's looking for ways to make long-term employment scheme for them, not the riders. Is there a possibility that it can grow the sport too? Yes. Doubtful though. This is what I read into JV's comments. He's throwing up all kinds of reasons with very little justification other than an emotional urgency.

Regardless which side of the fence you sit on we are not going to get to a solution soon. All three sides have power issues and money issues. Doping is another. While we seek the wonder days of yore where radioless riders were underpaid and pawns in a grand scheme maybe another alternative is emerging? Looks entertaining to me.

The power and money will always be a sticking point. If there would be some corruption investigations into Pat and Hein, then I think things would get moving... Quickly!

Instead, we've got Pat pontificating and generally trying to distract everyone from the fact he just gave a rider caught doping a free pass.

 

[bianchigirl]

Verbruggen had a scam some years ago to sell rights to races he didn't own to a pool of investors (with overlap to LA crew). Verbruggen & Armstrong make serious noises about buying the Tour. LA returns and Clerq gets the boot.

Bruyneel cooking something up in his spare time - Armstrong to make big announcement on 24th March.

Those three are the only ones who have clout enough to pull in the backers to make it stick. Plus Verbruggen almost certainly behind Tour of Bejing (only UCI organised race) & with serious heft in IOC

Obviously announcement will be about new sponsors but it's (not ever so much fun) to put the pieces together another way

 

[Trousers O'bongo]

Don't base your model on these ethical failures/economic successes.

+2

Money makes the world go round. Agents, transfers, cash, sponsorship, image rights, merchandise, £250K per week... where is the love?

We'll soon be feeling nostalgic for the UCI days.

Just before the crest of Ditchling Beacon there's a faded 'Pantani' stencilled on the road. Laying new tarmac won't make it disappear.

 

[Stingray34]

The thrill is gone

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bru...i-and-talks-about-a-possible-breakaway-league

If these two have a corrupt history together, where will this estrangment leave them?

If they have the dirt on one another, it makes the prisoner's dilemma come into play: rat on the silent other and get away scot free; both stay silent and receive only minor sanctions; both rat on the other and both get the full force of the law.

Maybe this move by Bruyneel is an attempt to distance himself from McQuaid in anticipation of the coming 'troubles.'

Or maybe there's nothing to tell?

 

[popolo]

Lance was cocky but he knew he had to suck the UCI's co3k. The Hog was the same. To win he had to pay the bribes. Floyd wasnt smart enough to know he had to put it back in his pants when it came to the UCi. Lance warned him.. "don't mess with these guys" - now the hog is happy to leave world of paying off the UCI... I can see that... For this we have to drop our prejudice...

Why do you talk about yourself in the third person?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

**** Vaughters. The smug ****er sold us a whole load of bull**** with his new 'clean' team and then jumps into bed with his old dirty boss.

And you got all ****ed off because people thought you were maintaining omerta over Armstrong.

I guess your boy Prentice really was telling the truth when he said

please understand that this is about perception rather than
reality. Of course we all know the "perception is reality" thing.

The perception of being the good guy in the town that stinks more than a ***** house at low tide, when the reality is that you are a two-faced junked up lying scumbag whose sold the fans out in order to enrich himself.

Once the Hogs teaboy, always the Hogs teaboy.

 

[popolo]

Landis excerpt

You are misrepresenting JV's role and stated goals. How was JV ever going to "bring about changes to the sport" when he clearly has no control, knowledge, or authority to oversee other teams?

He never said that. Where do you people come up with this stuff?

Second, there is no point in JV coming clean about what he did at this point. Maybe he's keeping it hush because he testified to the federal grand jury - how do you know? I don't see what purpose it serves if JV admits anything or not. He essentially has admitted it (by not denying it). If you read between the lines, he doesn't come clean because he basically doesn't want to give his current sponsors any needless negative PR by dredging up his past.

So long as JV is staunchly anti-doping in the way he runs Garmin - which from all accounts he appears to be - that's good enough for me.

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2011/landiskimmage

Is ‘repulsed’ too strong a word?

No, I don’t think I was repulsed so much as…I was really confused as to how many people could just accept that that was the way it was. I didn’t know that in any given system – in this instance cycling, something that big – that the people at the top could actually manipulate it. I didn’t think that was possible. I couldn’t wrap my head around that. I thought ‘I can’t believe there is that many people willing to take the risk of getting caught.’ But it turned out that not only were people willing ready to take that risk but everyone is in on it, or at least everyone one with any power is in on it. I did not expect that turn of events. I didn’t expect that the guys that were publically decrying the whole thing, and stating that they were the ones trying to fix it, were in fact making it happen.

I think JV is in on it.

 

[hfer07]

Yup. It's official. JV has thrown in with The Hog. It looks like the end of a multi-year scam that ends with him going into business with the very people he was supposedly fighting with to change cycling's doping landscape.

 

[lean mean &green]

Why do you talk about yourself in the third person?

the trouble is that you stumbled onto the nexus of the universe. the username "thehog" is a tribute to a certain director sportif whose nickname is "the hog". it's a very poorly kept secret who that DS actually is.